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Would You Surrender Your Firearms To Police Voluntarily During A Natural Disaster?

Would You Surrender Your Firearms To Police Voluntarily During A Natural Disaster?

  • Yes

    Votes: 1 1.2%

  • Depends

    Votes: 11 12.9%

  • No

    Votes: 73 85.9%
  • Total voters
    85
Re: Would You Surrender Your Firearms To Police Voluntarily During A Natural Disaster

Bob Blaylock said:
A country using its military to make war against its own people. I can't imagine what could go wrong there.
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Ever heard of the October Crisis? You need to enforce the laws of the land and teach these gangbangers you will never be able to get away with their crimes.
This is the type of person a president should be.

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JayDubya said:
In a disaster, where the authorities are going to be preoccupied, and it is very likely that opportunistic criminals are likely to take advantage of the chaos, as happens over and over again... **** no.
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I've said this before. Last hurricane where we had a power outage I was at the front of the house with my radio, loaded .40 within reach, and playing cards at the table.
 
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Carjosse said:
Ever heard of the October Crisis? You need to enforce the laws of the land and teach these gangbangers you will never be able to get away with their crimes.

This is the type of person a president should be.
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There is one major problem with this idea. The major crime drivers in any area are maybe 1 to 3% of that community, and a lot of innocent citizens would be directly in the line of fire, too much opportunity for collateral damage. The other problem is after the collateral damage any politician on record as authorizing the strike is done for politically, imagine having to explain dead 80 year old grandmothers in poor neighborhoods with our press.
 
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LaMidRighter said:
There is one major problem with this idea. The major crime drivers in any area are maybe 1 to 3% of that community, and a lot of innocent citizens would be directly in the line of fire, too much opportunity for collateral damage. The other problem is after the collateral damage any politician on record as authorizing the strike is done for politically, imagine having to explain dead 80 year old grandmothers in poor neighborhoods with our press.
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They maybe 1 to 3% of that community but we will rid the community of them and will show the rest of the community we will not let them suffer the violence and crime inflicted upon them. Trudeau's decision during the the October Crisis is still popular event today and boosted his approval ratings. It says I will not let anyone stop me, I will do what the people elected me to do.
 
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Carjosse said:
They maybe 1 to 3% of that community but we will rid the community of them and will show the rest of the community we will not let them suffer the violence and crime inflicted upon them. Trudeau's decision during the the October Crisis is still popular event today and boosted his approval ratings. It says I will not let anyone stop me, I will do what the people elected me to do.
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I hope it bore fruit, just saying here it's an all around nightmare. First you have to get the people in those communities to point out the problem individuals, they are not likely to do that as there is a "no snitching" mentality in those areas(two reasons, the people don't trust cops and are afraid of retaliation). Second problem is that many times a person is living among innocents, so how do you flush them out without killing said innocents. Third is that Americans don't tolerate collateral damage in the least, and we are wary of invoking martial law for a police problem.

Once you get past those problems, there are still constitutional issues at hand. You can't use military force "at will" here without either declaring martial law(politician's worst nightmare) or severely violating the constitution and in this case criminally.
 
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LaMidRighter said:
I hope it bore fruit, just saying here it's an all around nightmare. First you have to get the people in those communities to point out the problem individuals, they are not likely to do that as there is a "no snitching" mentality in those areas(two reasons, the people don't trust cops and are afraid of retaliation). Second problem is that many times a person is living among innocents, so how do you flush them out without killing said innocents. Third is that Americans don't tolerate collateral damage in the least, and we are wary of invoking martial law for a police problem.

Once you get past those problems, there are still constitutional issues at hand. You can't use military force "at will" here without either declaring martial law(politician's worst nightmare) or severely violating the constitution and in this case criminally.
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Like I said in my last post martial law actually boosted Trudeau's ratings and he did win a Liberal majority government in the next election. How easy do you think it is to find terrorists?
 
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Carjosse said:
Like I said in my last post martial law actually boosted Trudeau's ratings and he did win a Liberal majority government in the next election. How easy do you think it is to find terrorists?
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It's just not feasible here in the states for criminal activity. I've thought myself that it's a damn good idea though.
 
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LaMidRighter said:
It's just not feasible here in the states for criminal activity. I've thought myself that it's a damn good idea though.
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It is not just criminal activity it is terror. Martial law now has to be subject to our Charter but we have a reasonable limits section also known as the get of Charter of Rights and Freedoms free card.
 
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Carjosse said:
So why not with the police who are offering that service?
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They record everything they take in, who owns what. That's a registry, and registries are used for confiscation.
 
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Carjosse said:
It is not just criminal activity it is terror.
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Not under our laws though. Terrorism requires a political component as well as a violence or threat component, IOW the person must be engaging in behaviors to change a political outcome. The thugs on the streets could be executed for a lot of the stuff the charges they have attached to them, they actually could face stiffer penalties than a terrorism detainment, the big problem is pinning stuff on them.
 
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LaMidRighter said:
Not under our laws though. Terrorism requires a political component as well as a violence or threat component, IOW the person must be engaging in behaviors to change a political outcome. The thugs on the streets could be executed for a lot of the stuff the charges they have attached to them, they actually could face stiffer penalties than a terrorism detainment, the big problem is pinning stuff on them.
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what political component was involved in the oklahoma city bombing?
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
what political component was involved in the oklahoma city bombing?
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McVeigh was angry over the way the Branch Davidian compound was handled in Waco. He was looking to make a large scale payback in retaliation.
 
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Jerry said:
They record everything they take in, who owns what. That's a registry, and registries are used for confiscation.
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There was clearly no confiscation going here and Canada has both official and unofficial registries and they are not used for confiscation.
 
Re: Would You Surrender Your Firearms To Police Voluntarily During A Natural Disaster

LaMidRighter said:
I hope it bore fruit, just saying here it's an all around nightmare. First you have to get the people in those communities to point out the problem individuals, they are not likely to do that as there is a "no snitching" mentality in those areas(two reasons, the people don't trust cops and are afraid of retaliation). Second problem is that many times a person is living among innocents, so how do you flush them out without killing said innocents. Third is that Americans don't tolerate collateral damage in the least, and we are wary of invoking martial law for a police problem.

Once you get past those problems, there are still constitutional issues at hand. You can't use military force "at will" here without either declaring martial law(politician's worst nightmare) or severely violating the constitution and in this case criminally.
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It is for very good reason that one of the very earliest laws enacted in our nation was the Posse Comitatus Act.
 
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LaMidRighter said:
McVeigh was angry over the way the Branch Davidian compound was handled in Waco. He was looking to make a large scale payback in retaliation.
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Ironically, McVeigh sought to avenge a mass murder carried out by our government, that killed over eighty innocents, by carrying out an even bigger mass murder, that killed about twice as many innocents.

I give him credit for motive, but not for execution. (No pun intended.) If he had managed to kill a hundred and sixty corrupt government agents, and no innocents, I would consider him a great hero. But all he accomplished was to commit an even greater crime than the one he sought to avenge.
 
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Bob Blaylock said:
It is for very good reason that one of the very earliest laws enacted in our nation was the Posse Comitatus Act.
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Absolutely. One of the most heinous abuses of the king was to send the military to do his bidding in any manner required. We are still, centuries later, wary of sending out our strongest force against civilian populations.
 
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Bob Blaylock said:
Ironically, McVeigh sought to avenge a mass murder carried out by our government, that killed over eighty innocents, by carrying out an even bigger mass murder, that killed about twice as many innocents.

I give him credit for motive, but not for execution. (No pun intended.) If he had managed to kill a hundred and sixty corrupt government agents, and no innocents, I would consider him a great hero. But all he accomplished was to commit an even greater crime than the one he sought to avenge.
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It was a sick attack against civilian contractors, the only weak thread was that it was a government building. Sad day for America.
 
Re: Would You Surrender Your Firearms To Police Voluntarily During A Natural Disaster

Carjosse said:
My question to you is if say your house was damaged and flooded, torn apart, burned, etc. by a natural disaster and have no safe place to store them .
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What does this mean, there is no safe place? I do not keep my guns in disarray. I keep it in a steel safe, in waterproof plastic pipes with hermetic lid. They are freely available on the network for any type of weapon.
Cartridges are stored separately in the fireproof box, in the waterproof army metal boxes. They also freely available online, and many stores, even Walmart.
Weapon, not a toy and requires a responsible attitude.
It is right to be armed in times of natural disasters.
 
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loader said:
What does this mean, there is no safe place? I do not keep my guns in disarray. I keep it in a steel safe, in waterproof plastic pipes with hermetic lid. They are freely available on the network for any type of weapon.
Cartridges are stored separately in the fireproof box, in the waterproof army metal boxes. They also freely available online, and many stores, even Walmart.
Weapon, not a toy and requires a responsible attitude.
It is right to be armed in times of natural disasters.
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I don't go as far as you do, however my firearms are always accounted for. I fully agree that the right to bear comes with a personal(not legal) responsibility of eternal vigilance.
 
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Carjosse said:
There was clearly no confiscation going here and Canada....
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Canada has already lost it's right to keep and bear.
 
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Jerry said:
Canada has already lost it's right to keep and bear.
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Canada has no second amendment, but don't Canadians have about as many guns as Americans have?
 
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Carjosse said:
Do you not trust the police?
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Trust the government with your personal belongings? Gee, you must be a liberal.
 
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Dittohead not! said:
Canada has no second amendment, but don't Canadians have about as many guns as Americans have?
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Most Canadians who own guns own them for hunting purposes, and the number of people who own them is fairly high, but I believe it is lower then in the US, as not many Canadians own handguns for self defense reasons. So the number of urban and suburban owners would be lower then the US.

Also the number of guns per person is much lower.
 
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Is there no provision to muster even the unorganized militia during any impairment to the domestic Tranquility of any State or province?
 
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Absolutely not
 
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