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    Re: Would You Surrender Your Firearms To Police Voluntarily During A Natural Disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    We actually deal with our crime problems here usually through force. If we had what was going in Chicago with all those murders the army would probably be called in to deal with it.
    That sounds like something else we should adopt from the Canadians.
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    Re: Would You Surrender Your Firearms To Police Voluntarily During A Natural Disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Yes, and we all know that stops every questionable move by LE.
    Since most cops are okay, yes it would. If they are so crooked, they will use force to take my gun, they will get force back.

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    Re: Would You Surrender Your Firearms To Police Voluntarily During A Natural Disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by lawboy View Post
    Since most cops are okay, yes it would. If they are so crooked, they will use force to take my gun, they will get force back.
    I think cops that are abusive should be required to use a 1930s german accent and wear a nazi uniform.

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    Re: Would You Surrender Your Firearms To Police Voluntarily During A Natural Disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil_Osophy View Post
    I think cops that are abusive should be required to use a 1930s german accent and wear a nazi uniform.


    That would be right!!

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    Re: Would You Surrender Your Firearms To Police Voluntarily During A Natural Disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    No I would not. should we voluntarily surrender other rights during natural disasters?
    Not sure you would be surrendering any rights in the OP example as that is Canada. Here in the US my own answer would be not only NO, but Hell NO! If I were a cannuck, don't know.

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    Re: Would You Surrender Your Firearms To Police Voluntarily During A Natural Disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    That sounds like something else we should adopt from the Canadians.
    You can also get the mafia to do it.

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    Re: Would You Surrender Your Firearms To Police Voluntarily During A Natural Disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    You wish a more extensive reply, then you shall have one.

    My initial response was frankly a moment of slack-jawed surprise that you'd express cheerful acceptance to government confiscation of ANYTHING you owned, whether it made any sense or not, simply because government said so.


    I'm not sure you or many of the people who initially responded to the OP actually read it.

    Let's looking at the phrasing in the thread. People declaring that they wouldn't "turn in" or "turn over" their weapons or "submit" to "government confiscation."

    I find that a little odd since the OP had nothing to do with forced action. In fact, the OP was basically a bait to all the ra-ra-ra! gun owners and, lo and behold, you all took it, hook, line, and sinker.

    All he was asking is if you'd accept a fairly basic service from a fairly basic government body. Nobody even bothered with the bit in the OP about the fact that the vast majority were voluntarily given for safe-keeping.

    Most of the time, decent people just say "no, thanks" if they don't trust the service being offered and move on. But no, not the guys in this thread. This isn't an issue of politeness, it's an issue of Rights! We can't let the government offer us services to which we can say "no" and then find a work-around, right!?



    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Then I saw your lean was socialist, and sighed a bit... that is one of the ideologies where one tends to find state-worship and unthinking compliance with anything the State says, yes.


    Utter nonsense. Socialists are not members of a sovereign borg; they've just got different ideas about how government ought to operate. "Worship" is, on the very best and brightest of days, a massive exaggeration.

    Before you speak again, know that I'm a capitalist who generally believes that the government is more involved in peoples' lives than it ought to be, but I'm not about to declare all socialists government sycophants or anything silly like that.



    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Okay, you're Brit... your assertion that all Britons are socialist is patently false, but I'll grant that the bulk of your population leans that way... and that Britain hasn't known real freedom in so long that it is no surprise you'd take that viewpoint. Hell you can't even carry a pocketknife in London without some kind of legally acceptable excuse, which is as astonishing to Americans as requiring a license to possess cheese.


    I'm always amused to hear an American say things like "real freedom." Isn't the argument that there's no such thing? I thought you were either fully free or fully a slave? Isn't that how the argument goes?

    You are aware, of course, that there are places in America where it is, in point of fact, illegal to carry many pocketknives, such as in New York City, America's largest city, under any circumstances whatsoever ("legally acceptable" doesn't exist), yes? If you're using London as an example, then shouldn't New York City be an example that yanks also don't know what "real freedom," whatever the vengeance that is, is?

    You mentioned that London's regulation of pocketknives is "astonishing to Americans." In lieu of the fact that you clearly didn't know that certain American cities operate the same way, shall we simply say that you must have been so astonished when you got this information that you still don't believe how socialist your own nation has become?

    (Out of curiosity, what does socialism have to do with pocketknives? I don't know, but I daresay neither does anybody else, so I won't feel bad.)



    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Suffice it to say that such a blind, unthinking obedience to government commands is anathema to the American mind. Especially where it makes no sense, such as the cheese example.


    I cannot help but enjoy the irony, Sir. Thank you for your post.
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    Re: Would You Surrender Your Firearms To Police Voluntarily During A Natural Disaster

    I would never accept such a "service", nor would i support it being offered by the government

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    Re: Would You Surrender Your Firearms To Police Voluntarily During A Natural Disaster

    Excluding liberal sh¡tholes, america is pretty free

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    Re: Would You Surrender Your Firearms To Police Voluntarily During A Natural Disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    Recently the extent of the political pressure the RCMP got when it seized firearms from people's unsecured homes during the summer flooding in High River, Alberta was revealed. The Conservatives demanded the seized guns be returned to the owners. What the RCMP like to point is most of the firearms (more than 600 to be exact) they had in storage were voluntarily given to the police to be safeguarded during the disaster along with half a million rounds of ammunition. My question to you is if say your house was damaged and flooded, torn apart, burned, etc. by a natural disaster and have no safe place to store them would you surrender your firearms voluntarily to the police for safe keeping until you could return home and store them safely.
    Not only no but hell no. I do not want any government entity handling my firearms because I would SOL if they chose to keep my firearms.I will let a relative or fried hang onto them if I felt that I was unable to secure my firearms myself.
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