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    Re: Would You Surrender Your Firearms To Police Voluntarily During A Natural Disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    There is absolutely no debating that banning guns has resulted in fewer gun deaths.
    Is that what this thread is about?

    Let me tell you, that even if private gun ownership increased crime, it should remain legal. Even if more guns = more crime, private gun ownership should remain perfectly permisable and unhindered.

    If you want to make the most improvement on crime, focus on local economy and intact homes. When it comes to crime, the presence or absence of guns have little impact.

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    Re: Would You Surrender Your Firearms To Police Voluntarily During A Natural Disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Absolutely. You can't shoot someone if you don't have a gun.

    The thing is, we want some shooting. We want the rape victim to shoot the perp. We want the home owner to shoot the burglar. Etc.

    Reducing "shootings" is not a desirable goal since justified shootings are a good and desirable thing. Certain crimes should cost you your life in the act by the victim's hands.
    Ah, now here is something we can debate! While I still thoroughly disagree with you, I recognise that this is matter of morals and conscious, not statistics.

    To address that point: That sounds to me worryingly like vigilante justice, neverminding that I'd argue capital punishment is wrong entirely. Surely you would prefer a rapist or thief face due process?

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    Re: Would You Surrender Your Firearms To Police Voluntarily During A Natural Disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    Recently the extent of the political pressure the RCMP got when it seized firearms from people's unsecured homes during the summer flooding in High River, Alberta was revealed. The Conservatives demanded the seized guns be returned to the owners. What the RCMP like to point is most of the firearms (more than 600 to be exact) they had in storage were voluntarily given to the police to be safeguarded during the disaster along with half a million rounds of ammunition. My question to you is if say your house was damaged and flooded, torn apart, burned, etc. by a natural disaster and have no safe place to store them would you surrender your firearms voluntarily to the police for safe keeping until you could return home and store them safely.
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    Re: Would You Surrender Your Firearms To Police Voluntarily During A Natural Disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Is that what this thread is about?

    Let me tell you, that even if private gun ownership increased crime, it should remain legal. Even if more guns = more crime, private gun ownership should remain perfectly permisable and unhindered.

    If you want to make the most improvement on crime, focus on local economy and intact homes. When it comes to crime, the presence or absence of guns have little impact.
    Now, you may be on to something here.

    Are there more intact homes in Canada than the US?
    Has their economy come out of the recession more quickly than ours?

    If so, then there may actually be a correlation between the economy and the family and lower murder rate, when there doesn't appear to be one between gun ownership and murder rate.
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    Re: Would You Surrender Your Firearms To Police Voluntarily During A Natural Disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    Ah, now here is something we can debate! While I still thoroughly disagree with you, I recognise that this is matter of morals and conscious, not statistics.

    To address that point: That sounds to me worryingly like vigilante justice, neverminding that I'd argue capital punishment is wrong entirely. Surely you would prefer a rapist or thief face due process?
    You will need to open a thread on it, as the moderators generally frown on this much drift away from a thread's OP.

    Send me a link when you make such a thread

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    Re: Would You Surrender Your Firearms To Police Voluntarily During A Natural Disaster

    I'm sure Canada's ethnic "make up" doesn't look anything like that of the US. they might have a couple of all races there, but that isn't what we see in the US. I would tend to leave race out of it as it seems crime rates are usually higher in dense populations. Canada doesn't resemble the US well in that aspect.
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    Re: Would You Surrender Your Firearms To Police Voluntarily During A Natural Disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    Recently the extent of the political pressure the RCMP got when it seized firearms from people's unsecured homes during the summer flooding in High River, Alberta was revealed. The Conservatives demanded the seized guns be returned to the owners. What the RCMP like to point is most of the firearms (more than 600 to be exact) they had in storage were voluntarily given to the police to be safeguarded during the disaster along with half a million rounds of ammunition. My question to you is if say your house was damaged and flooded, torn apart, burned, etc. by a natural disaster and have no safe place to store them would you surrender your firearms voluntarily to the police for safe keeping until you could return home and store them safely.
    I'm not really sure. the way you described it, maybe because i wouldn't want to ruin my guns, but if the government sent out a message that sid we had to hand all of our guns to the police and we might not get them back, then no.
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    Re: Would You Surrender Your Firearms To Police Voluntarily During A Natural Disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    If that is so, then Canada should have a lot more murders than the US, and yet the opposite is true.
    Quote Originally Posted by DSA View Post
    I'm sure Canada's ethnic "make up" doesn't look anything like that of the US. they might have a couple of all races there, but that isn't what we see in the US. I would tend to leave race out of it as it seems crime rates are usually higher in dense populations. Canada doesn't resemble the US well in that aspect.
    We really are talking apples to oranges when comparing Canada and the United States. It be like comparing obesity from state to state and country to country. There are just some cultural different that comes into play. The statistics cannot be denied though, and what is most damning is what I didn't put into that. The District of Columbia, has the toughest gun laws in the country, and also the highest murder per capita as well. At some point you have to start drawing a correlation.

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    Re: Would You Surrender Your Firearms To Police Voluntarily During A Natural Disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    We really are talking apples to oranges when comparing Canada and the United States. It be like comparing obesity from state to state and country to country. There are just some cultural different that comes into play. The statistics cannot be denied though, and what is most damning is what I didn't put into that. The District of Columbia, has the toughest gun laws in the country, and also the highest murder per capita as well. At some point you have to start drawing a correlation.

    Is Canada really all that different from the US? What are the differences that matter to the issue of murders and gun violence/gun control?
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    Re: Would You Surrender Your Firearms To Police Voluntarily During A Natural Disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    We never wanted one, we saw yours and thought it was a stupid idea. There is just so much potential for abuse it is astronomical.
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