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    Re: Would You Surrender Your Firearms To Police Voluntarily During A Natural Disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    I just would consider it rather strange. The thought that I would have to carry a gun when at home for protection is alien to the vast majority of Canadians. Even going out in public carrying a gun for protection would be an alien idea to most Canadians (excluding gang bangers of course). In general I think Canadians feel far more safe then most Americans, it may not be true based on overall crime stats, but I expect that is the most feel
    I would feel safer there too. No people.

    But I don't have too. I just do. Ever notice you still have your wallet in your pocket when at the house? Do you need it there? I get up and when I leave I put my wallet in my pocket, cell phone, keys, sun glasses, pocket knife (not for defense), and my gun and a spare magazine. I don't carry any of that because I "need" it. I carry it "in case" I need it.
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    Re: Would You Surrender Your Firearms To Police Voluntarily During A Natural Disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Actually, no, it doesn't.

    We had a long thread about this very subject not too long ago. The only conclusion was that there was no conclusion about whether restrictive gun laws had any effect at all on violent crimes in general.

    Here's an interesting article about the question of gun laws and violent crimes:

    Gun Laws and Crime: A Complex Relationship

    Does attempting to control the ownership of guns reduce violent crimes?
    Does individual ownership of guns discourage criminal activity?

    The answer to both of the above questions appears to be, "no."

    We've pretty much established that Canadians have a much lower murder rate than the US does, and that they are also an ethnically diverse country.

    So, we need to look beyond those factors to decide why we have so many more murders.
    Ahem...

    More Gun Control Results in More Gun Murders

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    Re: Would You Surrender Your Firearms To Police Voluntarily During A Natural Disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Actually, no, it doesn't.

    We had a long thread about this very subject not too long ago. The only conclusion was that there was no conclusion about whether restrictive gun laws had any effect at all on violent crimes in general.

    Here's an interesting article about the question of gun laws and violent crimes:

    Gun Laws and Crime: A Complex Relationship



    Does attempting to control the ownership of guns reduce violent crimes?
    Does individual ownership of guns discourage criminal activity?

    The answer to both of the above questions appears to be, "no."

    We've pretty much established that Canadians have a much lower murder rate than the US does, and that they are also an ethnically diverse country.

    So, we need to look beyond those factors to decide why we have so many more murders.
    To quote someone recently...."So, now you're fishing for reasons for the lower murder rate in Canada." I mean...the "higher murder rates in cities with strict gun control laws."

    Funny how that works out...

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    Re: Would You Surrender Your Firearms To Police Voluntarily During A Natural Disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    So, now you're fishing for reasons for the lower murder rate in Canada.

    and just guessing while doing it.

    Can we just dismiss the obvious connection between stricter gun controls and lower murder rates? How do we know that there is no cause and effect relationship there?
    I don't know. Should we dismiss the dozens of other cultural/social differences between Canada and the United States? You know? Drug laws? Gangs? Population? Number of cities? Economic diversity? Ethnic make up?

    How the hell is that fishing? I am giving you a dozen reasons why the murder rates could be different. Burden of proof is not on me to prove that "guns are the reason we are more violent." That is on you. You are making the claim that guns, and not a hundred other reasons...are why the crime rate is different.

    and shouldn't more guns in the hands of law abiding citizens actually lower the murder rate?
    I don't personally make that claim. I feel they are not correlated numbers. I think less criminals makes a safer population. And makin laws that turn law abiding citizens into criminals certainly is not a good idea.

    But if you would like to discuss similar populations? The state of Mississippi has less murders per 100k than places like Chicago (which both have near equivalent populations).
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    Re: Would You Surrender Your Firearms To Police Voluntarily During A Natural Disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    If that is so, then Canada should have a lot more murders than the US, and yet the opposite is true.
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    Re: Would You Surrender Your Firearms To Police Voluntarily During A Natural Disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    There is NO debating, gun control reduces the shooting rate. That is just true.
    Absolutely. You can't shoot someone if you don't have a gun.

    The thing is, we want some shooting. We want the rape victim to shoot the perp. We want the home owner to shoot the burglar. Etc.

    Reducing "shootings" is not a desirable goal since justified shootings are a good and desirable thing. Certain crimes should cost you your life in the act by the victim's hands.

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    Re: Would You Surrender Your Firearms To Police Voluntarily During A Natural Disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    If that is so, then Canada should have a lot more murders than the US, and yet the opposite is true.
    The truth is, more freedom is more dangerous.

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    Re: Would You Surrender Your Firearms To Police Voluntarily During A Natural Disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    I don't know. Should we dismiss the dozens of other cultural/social differences between Canada and the United States? You know? Drug laws? Gangs? Population? Number of cities? Economic diversity? Ethnic make up?
    No, not at all. In fact, some other factor must be the reason why there are fewer murders in Canada than the USA. Just listing possibilities, however, doesn't help unless you can make some sort of a connection between those factors and murder/violent crime rates.
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    Re: Would You Surrender Your Firearms To Police Voluntarily During A Natural Disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil_Osophy View Post
    The truth is, more freedom is more dangerous.
    If that is so, then stricter gun laws should make us more safe, yet that doesn't seem to be true either.
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    Re: Would You Surrender Your Firearms To Police Voluntarily During A Natural Disaster

    I don't have a fire arm, so I guees the question doesn't fit well at the moment. However I feel it would violate the US Constitution to impose such an order. If I had one I would not turn it over, I wouldn't expect others to either.

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