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    Re: Would You Surrender Your Firearms To Police Voluntarily During A Natural Disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    Is there no provision to muster even the unorganized militia during any impairment to the domestic Tranquility of any State or province?
    Potentially there is, but it would have been a law from the early 1800s and if it exists, it has no planning for it, and I would suggest no one knows about it
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    Re: Would You Surrender Your Firearms To Police Voluntarily During A Natural Disaster

    We can debate all day long, with such a wealth of disinformation, about whether gun control reduces the murder rate. There is NO debating, gun control reduces the shooting rate. That is just true.


    Murders in the UK


    We can talk about the homicide rate in the UK if you like (which I'd be happy to do, because the statistics are with me), but there is no discussion about gun-murders. There were 44 in the UK in 2012.

    Get that? 44. Out of a country of 65 million. That's because there are no guns here. There is absolutely no debating that banning guns has resulted in fewer gun deaths.

    To talk more generally about murder, there were 640 in the UK in 2012, again, out of a population of 65 million -- about a fifth of the US population. In the US, there were 12,996 murders in 2010, of which 8,775 were committed with firearms.

    I don't know what level of education you've had, but you can do the basic math, no matter what: The US population of 310 million is 4.7 times greater than the UK population of 65 million. Shall we round to 5? Fine.

    In the UK, there were 640 murders. Multiply that by 5, you have 3,200. Compare that to the US, which had 13,000.

    In the UK, there were 44 gun-murders. Multiply that by 5, you have 220. Compare that to the US, which had 8,775.

    There is no arguing with this math. It is indisputable.

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    Re: Would You Surrender Your Firearms To Police Voluntarily During A Natural Disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    Recently the extent of the political pressure the RCMP got when it seized firearms from people's unsecured homes during the summer flooding in High River, Alberta was revealed. The Conservatives demanded the seized guns be returned to the owners. What the RCMP like to point is most of the firearms (more than 600 to be exact) they had in storage were voluntarily given to the police to be safeguarded during the disaster along with half a million rounds of ammunition. My question to you is if say your house was damaged and flooded, torn apart, burned, etc. by a natural disaster and have no safe place to store them would you surrender your firearms voluntarily to the police for safe keeping until you could return home and store them safely.
    Don't know if it has bee said...but no federal government organization (or funded) may do that here. The Vitter Amendment prevents it. Was a Bush Law (it was shot down...but made it into an appropriation bill in 07).

    So hell no. If someone did attempt too...I would have all the information and take them to court when the dust settled. And they would lose all federal money and possibly be shut down.
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    Re: Would You Surrender Your Firearms To Police Voluntarily During A Natural Disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The history of gun laws in Canada reflects political struggle, not crime prevention. With regard to Canada, gun control has little to nothing to do with crime prevention.
    It relates to reducing gun related crime. The number of shooting, deaths etc from guns in Canada is far lower then the US.
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    Re: Would You Surrender Your Firearms To Police Voluntarily During A Natural Disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Is the right measured by a gun count?

    I only own one firearm. The gun I own is illegal for a Canadian to own. I can carry said gun with me in my home, in public, around my city, to other territories and states. A Canadian cannot do the same in Canada.

    A Canadian who owns several rifles has less gun-rights then I do with my one gun.
    and how does that work out? What is the murder rate in Canada vs. in the US?
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    Re: Would You Surrender Your Firearms To Police Voluntarily During A Natural Disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Is the right measured by a gun count?

    I only own one firearm. The gun I own is illegal for a Canadian to own. I can carry said gun with me in my home, in public, around my city, to other territories and states. A Canadian cannot do the same in Canada.

    A Canadian who owns several rifles has less gun-rights then I do with my one gun.

    A small snub nose revolver? or small short pistol?

    As for carrying it in your home, really? When watching tv, or going to get a drink from the fridge you carry your gun?
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    Re: Would You Surrender Your Firearms To Police Voluntarily During A Natural Disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    and how does that work out? What is the murder rate in Canada vs. in the US?
    Calgary a city of 1.1 million had around 20 murders last year, which about the average for Calgary. The worst city in Canada for the murder rate is Winnipeg from what I understand, (it has a large number of street gangs)
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    Re: Would You Surrender Your Firearms To Police Voluntarily During A Natural Disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Calgary a city of 1.1 million had around 20 murders last year, which about the average for Calgary. The worst city in Canada for the murder rate is Winnipeg from what I understand, (it has a large number of street gangs)
    Interesting. That's a murder rate of about 2 per 100,000. Let's compare to a city near where I live and see:


    Hmmm.. .45 in 2010, and 35 in 2011.

    What can we conclude from that?
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    Re: Would You Surrender Your Firearms To Police Voluntarily During A Natural Disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Interesting. That's a murder rate of about 2 per 100,000. Let's compare to a city near where I live and see:


    Hmmm.. .45 in 2010, and 35 in 2011.

    What can we conclude from that?
    Well, for one, we can conclude that you don't understand statistics. Let's compare to the City of Dallas, which is about the same size as Calgary, if we're only including city limits. Dallas had 152 murders in 2012. Calgary had 20.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    It relates to reducing gun related crime. The number of shooting, deaths etc from guns in Canada is far lower then the US.
    There are 30 million people there. Almost all of them are the same race...or close enough. Who the hell do you have to shoot?
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