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    Re: Would You Surrender Your Firearms To Police Voluntarily During A Natural Disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Not under our laws though. Terrorism requires a political component as well as a violence or threat component, IOW the person must be engaging in behaviors to change a political outcome. The thugs on the streets could be executed for a lot of the stuff the charges they have attached to them, they actually could face stiffer penalties than a terrorism detainment, the big problem is pinning stuff on them.
    what political component was involved in the oklahoma city bombing?
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    Re: Would You Surrender Your Firearms To Police Voluntarily During A Natural Disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    what political component was involved in the oklahoma city bombing?
    McVeigh was angry over the way the Branch Davidian compound was handled in Waco. He was looking to make a large scale payback in retaliation.
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    Re: Would You Surrender Your Firearms To Police Voluntarily During A Natural Disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    They record everything they take in, who owns what. That's a registry, and registries are used for confiscation.
    There was clearly no confiscation going here and Canada has both official and unofficial registries and they are not used for confiscation.

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    Re: Would You Surrender Your Firearms To Police Voluntarily During A Natural Disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I hope it bore fruit, just saying here it's an all around nightmare. First you have to get the people in those communities to point out the problem individuals, they are not likely to do that as there is a "no snitching" mentality in those areas(two reasons, the people don't trust cops and are afraid of retaliation). Second problem is that many times a person is living among innocents, so how do you flush them out without killing said innocents. Third is that Americans don't tolerate collateral damage in the least, and we are wary of invoking martial law for a police problem.

    Once you get past those problems, there are still constitutional issues at hand. You can't use military force "at will" here without either declaring martial law(politician's worst nightmare) or severely violating the constitution and in this case criminally.
    It is for very good reason that one of the very earliest laws enacted in our nation was the Posse Comitatus Act.
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    Re: Would You Surrender Your Firearms To Police Voluntarily During A Natural Disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    McVeigh was angry over the way the Branch Davidian compound was handled in Waco. He was looking to make a large scale payback in retaliation.
    Ironically, McVeigh sought to avenge a mass murder carried out by our government, that killed over eighty innocents, by carrying out an even bigger mass murder, that killed about twice as many innocents.

    I give him credit for motive, but not for execution. (No pun intended.) If he had managed to kill a hundred and sixty corrupt government agents, and no innocents, I would consider him a great hero. But all he accomplished was to commit an even greater crime than the one he sought to avenge.
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    Re: Would You Surrender Your Firearms To Police Voluntarily During A Natural Disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    It is for very good reason that one of the very earliest laws enacted in our nation was the Posse Comitatus Act.
    Absolutely. One of the most heinous abuses of the king was to send the military to do his bidding in any manner required. We are still, centuries later, wary of sending out our strongest force against civilian populations.
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    Re: Would You Surrender Your Firearms To Police Voluntarily During A Natural Disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Ironically, McVeigh sought to avenge a mass murder carried out by our government, that killed over eighty innocents, by carrying out an even bigger mass murder, that killed about twice as many innocents.

    I give him credit for motive, but not for execution. (No pun intended.) If he had managed to kill a hundred and sixty corrupt government agents, and no innocents, I would consider him a great hero. But all he accomplished was to commit an even greater crime than the one he sought to avenge.
    It was a sick attack against civilian contractors, the only weak thread was that it was a government building. Sad day for America.
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    Re: Would You Surrender Your Firearms To Police Voluntarily During A Natural Disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    My question to you is if say your house was damaged and flooded, torn apart, burned, etc. by a natural disaster and have no safe place to store them .
    What does this mean, there is no safe place? I do not keep my guns in disarray. I keep it in a steel safe, in waterproof plastic pipes with hermetic lid. They are freely available on the network for any type of weapon.
    Cartridges are stored separately in the fireproof box, in the waterproof army metal boxes. They also freely available online, and many stores, even Walmart.
    Weapon, not a toy and requires a responsible attitude.
    It is right to be armed in times of natural disasters.

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    Re: Would You Surrender Your Firearms To Police Voluntarily During A Natural Disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by loader View Post
    What does this mean, there is no safe place? I do not keep my guns in disarray. I keep it in a steel safe, in waterproof plastic pipes with hermetic lid. They are freely available on the network for any type of weapon.
    Cartridges are stored separately in the fireproof box, in the waterproof army metal boxes. They also freely available online, and many stores, even Walmart.
    Weapon, not a toy and requires a responsible attitude.
    It is right to be armed in times of natural disasters.
    I don't go as far as you do, however my firearms are always accounted for. I fully agree that the right to bear comes with a personal(not legal) responsibility of eternal vigilance.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Would You Surrender Your Firearms To Police Voluntarily During A Natural Disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    There was clearly no confiscation going here and Canada....
    Canada has already lost it's right to keep and bear.

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