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    Re: Would You Surrender Your Firearms To Police Voluntarily During A Natural Disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    A country using its military to make war against its own people. I can't imagine what could go wrong there.
    Ever heard of the October Crisis? You need to enforce the laws of the land and teach these gangbangers you will never be able to get away with their crimes.
    This is the type of person a president should be.

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    Re: Would You Surrender Your Firearms To Police Voluntarily During A Natural Disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    In a disaster, where the authorities are going to be preoccupied, and it is very likely that opportunistic criminals are likely to take advantage of the chaos, as happens over and over again... **** no.
    I've said this before. Last hurricane where we had a power outage I was at the front of the house with my radio, loaded .40 within reach, and playing cards at the table.
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    Re: Would You Surrender Your Firearms To Police Voluntarily During A Natural Disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    Ever heard of the October Crisis? You need to enforce the laws of the land and teach these gangbangers you will never be able to get away with their crimes.

    This is the type of person a president should be.
    There is one major problem with this idea. The major crime drivers in any area are maybe 1 to 3% of that community, and a lot of innocent citizens would be directly in the line of fire, too much opportunity for collateral damage. The other problem is after the collateral damage any politician on record as authorizing the strike is done for politically, imagine having to explain dead 80 year old grandmothers in poor neighborhoods with our press.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Would You Surrender Your Firearms To Police Voluntarily During A Natural Disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    There is one major problem with this idea. The major crime drivers in any area are maybe 1 to 3% of that community, and a lot of innocent citizens would be directly in the line of fire, too much opportunity for collateral damage. The other problem is after the collateral damage any politician on record as authorizing the strike is done for politically, imagine having to explain dead 80 year old grandmothers in poor neighborhoods with our press.
    They maybe 1 to 3% of that community but we will rid the community of them and will show the rest of the community we will not let them suffer the violence and crime inflicted upon them. Trudeau's decision during the the October Crisis is still popular event today and boosted his approval ratings. It says I will not let anyone stop me, I will do what the people elected me to do.

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    Re: Would You Surrender Your Firearms To Police Voluntarily During A Natural Disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    They maybe 1 to 3% of that community but we will rid the community of them and will show the rest of the community we will not let them suffer the violence and crime inflicted upon them. Trudeau's decision during the the October Crisis is still popular event today and boosted his approval ratings. It says I will not let anyone stop me, I will do what the people elected me to do.
    I hope it bore fruit, just saying here it's an all around nightmare. First you have to get the people in those communities to point out the problem individuals, they are not likely to do that as there is a "no snitching" mentality in those areas(two reasons, the people don't trust cops and are afraid of retaliation). Second problem is that many times a person is living among innocents, so how do you flush them out without killing said innocents. Third is that Americans don't tolerate collateral damage in the least, and we are wary of invoking martial law for a police problem.

    Once you get past those problems, there are still constitutional issues at hand. You can't use military force "at will" here without either declaring martial law(politician's worst nightmare) or severely violating the constitution and in this case criminally.
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    Re: Would You Surrender Your Firearms To Police Voluntarily During A Natural Disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I hope it bore fruit, just saying here it's an all around nightmare. First you have to get the people in those communities to point out the problem individuals, they are not likely to do that as there is a "no snitching" mentality in those areas(two reasons, the people don't trust cops and are afraid of retaliation). Second problem is that many times a person is living among innocents, so how do you flush them out without killing said innocents. Third is that Americans don't tolerate collateral damage in the least, and we are wary of invoking martial law for a police problem.

    Once you get past those problems, there are still constitutional issues at hand. You can't use military force "at will" here without either declaring martial law(politician's worst nightmare) or severely violating the constitution and in this case criminally.
    Like I said in my last post martial law actually boosted Trudeau's ratings and he did win a Liberal majority government in the next election. How easy do you think it is to find terrorists?

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    Re: Would You Surrender Your Firearms To Police Voluntarily During A Natural Disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    Like I said in my last post martial law actually boosted Trudeau's ratings and he did win a Liberal majority government in the next election. How easy do you think it is to find terrorists?
    It's just not feasible here in the states for criminal activity. I've thought myself that it's a damn good idea though.
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    Re: Would You Surrender Your Firearms To Police Voluntarily During A Natural Disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    It's just not feasible here in the states for criminal activity. I've thought myself that it's a damn good idea though.
    It is not just criminal activity it is terror. Martial law now has to be subject to our Charter but we have a reasonable limits section also known as the get of Charter of Rights and Freedoms free card.

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    Re: Would You Surrender Your Firearms To Police Voluntarily During A Natural Disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    So why not with the police who are offering that service?
    They record everything they take in, who owns what. That's a registry, and registries are used for confiscation.

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    Re: Would You Surrender Your Firearms To Police Voluntarily During A Natural Disaster

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    It is not just criminal activity it is terror.
    Not under our laws though. Terrorism requires a political component as well as a violence or threat component, IOW the person must be engaging in behaviors to change a political outcome. The thugs on the streets could be executed for a lot of the stuff the charges they have attached to them, they actually could face stiffer penalties than a terrorism detainment, the big problem is pinning stuff on them.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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