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  • I can't believe France is protecting a child raper

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  • The French are absolutely correct to do what they're doing.

    4 14.81%
  • It's wrong, but hey... cest la vie

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  • A little rape never harmed anyone.

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Thread: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

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    re: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

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    re: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

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    re: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
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    That's America for you.
    That's Americans for you.
    It's a subtle difference, but it is different.
    I understand the difference, got it the first time, but again this wasn't a matter where the French people and their government disagreed.

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    Re: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    A bit of background. Roman Polanski, a famous American film director, drugged and raped a 13 year old child. The child was an aspiring actress, and he was a powerful film director.

    He was 43 years old when he forced himself on the little girl.

    After being found guilty in a California court, Polanski fled to France hours before he was to be formally sentenced. The sentence was expected to be jail time.

    To this day, France refuses to extradite Polanski. Polanski lives a comfortable life in a French chateau, drinking wine and continuing to direct movies. Meanwhile a young girl's life was forever scarred.

    The French will not extradite him because they disapprove of the fact that the USA allows the death penalty (even though this is not a case where the death penalty would apply). They say they will extradite him only after the USA makes the death penalty illegal.

    How, if at all, does this case affect your perception of France?
    No, but ONLY because I've read somewhere that the girl (now a grown woman) wants the issue dropped... IF, and I repeat, IF that is true then in the end, I side with whatever the victim wants.
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    Re: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    A lot of victims of pedophilia and rape forgive their attackers. It's part of the coping mechanism, a way to regain control of one's life, and it's a perfectly normal response.

    A lot of rape victims would rather not testify in court, and that's why so many rape victims never come forward and consequently, so many crimes go unreported.

    This is NORMAL. It does NOT mean that rape and pedophilia should go unpunished.

    It's not about me wanting to inflict something on the victim that she doesn't want. It's about the rule of law and prosecuting a known criminal. It's about making sure he can't harm any MORE CHILDREN.
    So who are you to deny this woman her peace of mind?

    And what does that have to do with this case? It was reported and they attempted to bring him to justice.

    She got her measure of justice/punishment in a civil case. She feels it's over.

    Yes, it is precisely about you wanting to ignore the wishes of a woman who says she's done with the matter. Apparently, no one has been hurt in the meantime, thank God, however, it's on the French to prevent that from occurring. They have him and refuse to return him. It's their watch, they've taken the responsibility.
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    Re: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    I understand the difference, got it the first time, but again this wasn't a matter where the French people and their government disagreed.
    Well, I think we may have hashed this out pretty thoroughly.
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    Re: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    YOu mean now? He should not be extradited till the U.S. can agree to a life sentence instead of the death sentence. This has everything to do with the death penalty most countries that do not have the death penalty will not extradite people to countries with it.
    The death sentence was never even a possibility in that case, so your argument holds no merit. France knows that; it is using international blackmail to coerce a sovereign nation into changing its laws to suit France, even though Polanski was never in danger of being sentenced to death because it was never applicable to the charges against him. For that matter, he was never in danger of a life sentence either.

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    Re: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    Your opinion is noted.
    It's not a matter of opinion that France isn't doing it for the reasons you state as being the moral issues of the case.
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    Re: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I have a moderately negative view of France, which I think is deserved. Also, I'm not intending to bash a whole nation of people, I'm intending to bash their government for harboring a child rapist.

    Also, taking sidehanded, tongue in cheek shots at the French is a national past time, passed on to us by our British forbearers. If you don't understand that, you've never been to France. They do it to us all the time.
    Firstly, I'm Canadian so I have my own issues with the French and French people in general - I'm not here to defend the French.

    Secondly, I appreciate your position, but really you can't claim that Polanski is a "child rapist" in the legal sense. That is not what he was convicted of - he was convicted of "unlawful intercourse with a minor child". Now, before you get all ballistic, that's not my decision - that was the decision of the American judicial system at the time of his plea bargain and conviction in the 70s. If he had been convicted of "rape", he would have been serving a life sentence in a California prison, not a 90 day psychiatric assessment, as ordered by the judge in his trial.

    Now, just as with Linsay Lohan and others in the California "bad celebrity" hand-slapping justice system, Polanski went to prison, served his time, and was released by the authorities in charge after he was evaluated as having no psychiatric issues and as no threat to society. You can argue that the "authorities in charge" didn't do a good enough job, but Polanski didn't issue his own release or break out of prison - he left when he was released.

    I wasn't paying attention at the time, but I'll guarantee that the judge and prosecutors in this case got a lot of grief from the public regarding the leniency of this plea deal and sentence - rightly so. But in your system of justice, do you want judges after the fact, after getting public grief, to be able to go back and change their minds when they get pressured? Polanski fled after the judge issued a bench warrant to arrest him again after he was released from prison. That warrant, in most cases, would be illegal and perhaps was illegal here - Polanski wrongly made the decision not to challenge that arrest in court and fled the country instead. After 40 years, and many opportunities to arrest him previously, a prosecutor in 2009 decided to make a name for himself, likely for political reasons, and activated the extradition proceedings.
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    Re: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    They do it to everyone.
    Yes, and I don't think any foreigner can ever really know if they're saying it in a half-joking, almost endearing way, or if they really do have that much contempt for everyone else. Perhaps a mix of both. One thing is for certain, though, French pride and cynicism have no equal in this world.

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