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  • The French are absolutely correct to do what they're doing.

    4 14.81%
  • It's wrong, but hey... cest la vie

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Thread: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

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    re: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    I get you don't like the extradition thing. I can understand if it's an emotional subject, but I think, maybe, you want this to be a reason to hate French people.
    This is why I think that...

    'affect your view of the French?'
    'that's the French for you'

    Sure you're not using a child's rape to give you a morally-unassailable chance to bash a whole nation of people?
    Probably not. If he's anything like a whole lot of us, we don't need any further reasons to dislike the French. But hey, harboring a child rapist is indeed a good a reason as any to dislike them.

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    re: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    I get you don't like the extradition thing. I can understand if it's an emotional subject, but I think, maybe, you want this to be a reason to hate French people.
    This is why I think that...

    'affect your view of the French?'
    'that's the French for you'

    Sure you're not using a child's rape to give you a morally-unassailable chance to bash a whole nation of people?
    I have a moderately negative view of France, which I think is deserved. Also, I'm not intending to bash a whole nation of people, I'm intending to bash their government for harboring a child rapist.

    Also, taking sidehanded, tongue in cheek shots at the French is a national past time, passed on to us by our British forbearers. If you don't understand that, you've never been to France. They do it to us all the time.

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    re: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Probably not. If he's anything like a whole lot of us, we don't need any further reasons to dislike the French. But hey, harboring a child rapist is indeed a good a reason as any to dislike them.
    Why 'them', as in French people? Why not 'it', as in the French government?
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    re: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    There's really no use for me to attempt to have a serious or useful discussion with you since you refuse to consider the facts of the case and are only on a crusade to push your own agenda. Have at it.

    I would advise, however, that you refrain from your blanket condemnation of "Canadians". I am Canadian, but my views are no more an official Canadian position than your emotional nonsense is representative of the good people of America.
    It was a joke, John. Lighten up.

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    re: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    Why 'them', as in French people? Why not 'it', as in the French government?
    There's a difference? The people wanted to extradite him but the government said no? That's the first I'm hearing of that.

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    re: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    It's also my position that "moral high ground" exists in the actual position they take...
    I actually condemned the position France takes in the same post in which I said that they may have the moral high ground in this, I called it a, debacle.

    My comment was more a condemnation of America's and California's failure to provide Samantha Geimer with any sort of justice than it was a celebration of France's policy or Roman Polanski's behavior.

    I believe that 40 years after the fact...

    ....after the victim has made her piece with the incident...

    ....and after her repeated claims that the publicity that surrounds repeated extradition efforts harms her more than the actual assault did...

    ....and after years of her just wishing that this would stop and that up-and-coming young prosecutors with potential political ambitions would stop trying to make their name by walking over her back...

    ...that letting sleeping dogs lie is actually the best thing for the victim.

    If France is the party that is willing to provide her with that peace.

    And U.S. prosecutors are the ones who are not.

    And we limit our options to one of those two parties holding the high ground.

    Then in my opinion, in this case, and only for the reasons I've given (twice now, actually) France takes the high ground.
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    And the epitaph drear: “A Fool lies here who tried to hustle the East.”

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    re: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I have a moderately negative view of France, which I think is deserved. Also, I'm not intending to bash a whole nation of people, I'm intending to bash their government for harboring a child rapist.
    I'm good with that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Also, taking sidehanded, tongue in cheek shots at the French is a national past time, passed on to us by our British forbearers. If you don't understand that, you've never been to France. They do it to us all the time.
    They do it to everyone. But as for the historical thing, Lafayette would be disappointed.
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    re: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    I actually condemned the position France takes in the same post in which I said that they may have the moral high ground in this, I called it a, debacle.

    My comment was more a condemnation of America's and California's failure to provide Samantha Geimer with any sort of justice than it was a celebration of France's policy or Roman Polanski's behavior.

    I believe that 40 years after the fact...

    ....after the victim has made her piece with the incident...

    ....and after her repeated claims that the publicity that surrounds repeated extradition efforts harms her more than the actual assault did...

    ....and after years of her just wishing that this would stop and that up-and-coming young prosecutors with potential political ambitions would stop trying to make their name by walking over her back...

    ...that letting sleeping dogs lie is actually the best thing for the victim.

    If France is the party that is willing to provide her with that peace.

    And U.S. prosecutors are the ones who are not.

    And we limit our options to one of those two parties holding the high ground.

    Then in my opinion, in this case, and only for the reasons I've given (twice now, actually) France takes the high ground.
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    re: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    I'm good with that.



    They do it to everyone. But as for the historical thing, Lafayette would be disappointed.
    I'm pretty sure he'd understand as the colonies had the same dim view of the french for the most part.

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    re: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    There's a difference? The people wanted to extradite him but the government said no? That's the first I'm hearing of that.
    Listen to two sentences...
    That's America for you.
    That's Americans for you.
    It's a subtle difference, but it is different.
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