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  • The French are absolutely correct to do what they're doing.

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Thread: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

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    re: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    YOu mean now? He should not be extradited till the U.S. can agree to a life sentence instead of the death sentence. This has everything to do with the death penalty most countries that do not have the death penalty will not extradite people to countries with it.
    The death penalty has never been considered for this case. At most, Polanski would have served a couple years in prison. The French are doing this to make a statement on the death penalty OVERALL, not in this particular case since it doesn't and hasn't ever applied.

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    re: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    Refusing extradition doesn't mean condoning the crime. It doesn't follow.
    Alright then what would you call it? Aiding and abetting?

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    re: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

    I don't think my opinion of France could get much lower, so this is about par for the course.

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    re: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    We do not the support the death sentence, we do not support eye for an eye.
    Yeah, but Canada will extradite unless it's a death penalty case with the DP on the table. This wasn't even a DP case. It was just a case of money and who you know and they ended up sheltering the rapist. And bull**** you don't support eye for an eye. What do you do in Canadian law when someone steals, you fine them right? Doh!

    As far as the OP question, like Gipper, my view of France was already at rock bottom.

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    re: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

    U.S./California handling of the Polanski case was a miscarriage of justice from the get-go.

    They allowed the man to plea down to a sentence of 90 days evaluation in a psychiatric hospital followed by probation.

    American authorities failed that little girl back when she was a little girl.

    Today, that little girl is a grown woman, she's settled with Polanski in a civil suit for a not insignificant sum of money, and she's put the past behind her.

    Today she accuses those authorities who insist on pursuing the extradition matter of grandstanding and attempting to build their personal reputations at the expense of not allowing her to leave her past in the past.

    They're failing her just as baddy today as they did ~40 years ago.

    It may actually be the French who hold the moral high ground in this debacle.

    Understand that I am not saying I support Polanski or that I excuse what he did.

    Nothing could be further from the truth.

    But I do support the victim.

    If letting this matter die is what will bring her peace then that's what America owes her.
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    And the epitaph drear: “A Fool lies here who tried to hustle the East.”

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    re: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    A bit of background. Roman Polanski, a famous American film director, drugged and raped a 13 year old child. The child was an aspiring actress, and he was a powerful film director.

    He was 43 years old when he forced himself on the little girl.

    After being found guilty in a California court, Polanski fled to France hours before he was to be formally sentenced. The sentence was expected to be jail time.

    To this day, France refuses to extradite Polanski. Polanski lives a comfortable life in a French chateau, drinking wine and continuing to direct movies. Meanwhile a young girl's life was forever scarred.

    The French will not extradite him because they disapprove of the fact that the USA allows the death penalty (even though this is not a case where the death penalty would apply). They say they will extradite him only after the USA makes the death penalty illegal.

    How, if at all, does this case affect your perception of France?
    None of your options accurately reflects my position - which is that I am not surprised at all in this particular instance of moral laxity on the part of the French.

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    re: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    A bit of background. Roman Polanski, a famous American film director, drugged and raped a 13 year old child. The child was an aspiring actress, and he was a powerful film director.

    He was 43 years old when he forced himself on the little girl.

    After being found guilty in a California court, Polanski fled to France hours before he was to be formally sentenced. The sentence was expected to be jail time.

    To this day, France refuses to extradite Polanski. Polanski lives a comfortable life in a French chateau, drinking wine and continuing to direct movies. Meanwhile a young girl's life was forever scarred.

    The French will not extradite him because they disapprove of the fact that the USA allows the death penalty (even though this is not a case where the death penalty would apply). They say they will extradite him only after the USA makes the death penalty illegal.

    How, if at all, does this case affect your perception of France?
    I'd need a little more background and detail before I'd be wholely on the side of those who say to extradite the man.

    1. It's my understanding that Polanski was never sentenced for the crime - I believe, if I'm not mistaken, there was prosecutorial misconduct in the trial and Polanski was ordered to a new trial and he skipped town before that trial began. I believe there was also a plea bargain of some sort that was abused or fell through. In any event, Polanski is wanted in the US for retrial, not to serve his sentence.

    2. It's my understanding that Polanski has travelled extensively in Europe over the years, all with the clear knowledge of American authorities, and he was never detained until very recently. You have to ask yourself why, if the man is such a fugitive, he wasn't picked up any of dozens of times he was in countries with extradition treaties with the US.

    This is not to say that I think Polanski is an upstanding, great guy - just to say there seems to be a lot going on in this matter that hasn't been widely known or disclosed over the years. In addition, I believe the young lady involved has forgiven Polanski and claims she doesn't wish to see him tried.
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    re: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    U.S./California handling of the Polanski case was a miscarriage of justice from the get-go.

    They allowed the man to plea down to a sentence of 90 days evaluation in a psychiatric hospital followed by probation.

    American authorities failed that little girl back when she was a little girl.

    Today, that little girl is a grown woman, she's settled with Polanski in a civil suit for a not insignificant sum of money, and she's put the past behind her.

    Today she accuses those authorities who insist on pursuing the extradition matter of grandstanding and attempting to build their personal reputations at the expense of not allowing her to leave her past in the past.

    They're failing her just as baddy today as they did ~40 years ago.

    It may actually be the French who hold the moral high ground in this debacle.

    Understand that I am not saying I support Polanski or that I excuse what he did.

    Nothing could be further from the truth.

    But I do support the victim.

    If letting this matter die is what will bring her peace then that's what America owes her.

    You liberals normally just annoy me a little, but this is outright disgusting. You're going to rubber stamp the rape of a 13 year old girl simply because your buddies, the French, have done so?

    Disgusting.

    So what if the girl (now woman, thanks to the passage of time) has tried to put it behind her? What do you expect her to do? She's not going to get any closure on this from the justice system thanks to the French. What would you expect her to do, for her own sanity?? OF COURSE she is going to say and do what she is doing.

    That doesn't mean pedophilia and rape should go completely unpunished. My goodness.

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    re: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I'd need a little more background and detail before I'd be wholely on the side of those who say to extradite the man.

    1. It's my understanding that Polanski was never sentenced for the crime - I believe, if I'm not mistaken, there was prosecutorial misconduct in the trial and Polanski was ordered to a new trial and he skipped town before that trial began. I believe there was also a plea bargain of some sort that was abused or fell through. In any event, Polanski is wanted in the US for retrial, not to serve his sentence.

    2. It's my understanding that Polanski has travelled extensively in Europe over the years, all with the clear knowledge of American authorities, and he was never detained until very recently. You have to ask yourself why, if the man is such a fugitive, he wasn't picked up any of dozens of times he was in countries with extradition treaties with the US.

    This is not to say that I think Polanski is an upstanding, great guy - just to say there seems to be a lot going on in this matter that hasn't been widely known or disclosed over the years. In addition, I believe the young lady involved has forgiven Polanski and claims she doesn't wish to see him tried.
    Yes he skipped town before his sentencing.

    I don't know how easy it is for the DA's office in Los Angeles to track someone's movements in Europe or what the paperwork involved would be to get someone extradited. I would imagine it's not so simple for a local DA's office to do this, especially for such an old case.

    Unfortunately, Polanski will never answer for his crimes, and that, in itself, is a crime.

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    re: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

    A lot of victims of pedophilia and rape forgive their attackers.

    A lot of rape victims would rather not testify in court, and do not come forward.

    This is NORMAL. It does NOT mean that rape and pedophilia should go unpunished.

    Let's clear that up right now.

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