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  • I can't believe France is protecting a child raper

    14 51.85%
  • The French are absolutely correct to do what they're doing.

    4 14.81%
  • It's wrong, but hey... cest la vie

    6 22.22%
  • A little rape never harmed anyone.

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Thread: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

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    Re: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Money and fame. That's gotta be why.
    I think the French are OK with certain kinds of Rape. My guess is this is one of those instances.

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    Re: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Virtually all of that is half truth, if that. They are not now, nor have they ever been our "buddies". And that anti-French sentiment isn't confined to the right alone, never was. In fact just about every member of the greatest generation felt just that way about France. They haven't been much of a reliable ally and they showed up once to help us in the Revolutionary War (Yorktown), the Dutch did far more for us. Oh, and they SOLD us weapons. Not to mention they'd been killing us before and after.

    The answer to the question is - no, they are not now, nor have ever been a close ally.
    You have a funny definition of half-truth after that meagre display of historical comprehension.

    The French, in addition to selling the American rebels supplies and weapons so cheap it bankrupted them, also sent their fleet and their army, several thousand soldiers, and basically won your War of Independence for you.

    Even George Washington directly said, if not for the French military, the Patriot cause would have been lost.

    Beyond that, France and the US fought together during the War of 1812, and again, if not for French assistance, the war would have been an even more disastrous defeat for the US.

    Over the course of the century, the French consistently supported and fought for American interests, except for on hiccup around 1865 when the French took over Mexico. The international symbol of America, the Statue of Liberty, is Lady Liberty, who you may also know as Marianne, the symbol of France.

    By the end of the century, the French and Americans were teaming up in China and Korea, and to a lesser extent in Liberia/North Africa. They even co-built the Panama Canal in stages.

    Come the 20th century, the US, France and Britain were all realising that they were nearly identical politically and culturally, and fighting against each-other was a silly idea. In the First World War, the US backed up British and French interests in Europe and abroad, and explicitly stated to Mexico and other Latin American nations not to **** with French and British colonies in the New World.

    I'm not sure where you've got your anecdotal evidence that 'every member of the greatest generation' hated the French, but I'm reasonably certain that's not true, considering how many Americans stayed there and became French after the war, learning the French language and starting French families.

    In all seriousness, France's unwillingness to blindly follow America and Britain into Iraq has caused many in the US to demonise them, which makes sense: When you **** up astronomically, you always look somewhere else to blame, and turn your ire on anyone smart enough not to make the same mistakes.

    But seriously, I just don't understand all the anti-French sentiment, and I've never gotten a good reason for it beyond vague assertions that 'we've always hated them', which is patently, historically false.

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    Re: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Peter, remember when we landed in North Africa it was not German troops shooting at our soldiers but French troops.

    In 1942 the Free French wouldn't allow American troops to set foot on New Caledonia. Admiral Halsey sent his personal Marine rifle platoon ashore and threw the French Governor out of his house and Bull Halsey moved in. The French weren't the best allies during WW ll.

    Don't even want to get into the French Indochina War where the French having an inferiority complex by now refused to listen to our military advisor's until it was to late.

    France doesn't like America or Americans because they are jealous of America and they want to return to the days of being a world power if not a super power.

    >"Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without an accordion."<
    I actually did a double-take.

    Did you just say that the French should have listened to American military advisors... In Vietnam?

    You can not be serious. The Americans lost Vietnam worse than the French by a country mile. Look at the statistics!

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    Re: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

    Don't really care.

    The guy is a pig, but apparently he gave a large settlement to the victim, who now seems to want to forget it...so let it go.


    As far as I am concerned, law enforcement always should take second place to the wants of the victims.

    If the victim wants the guy tried...go and get him.

    If they don't...leave the pathetic loser alone.

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    Re: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    If what I've read is true, and I have no reason to believe otherwise, Polanski has, in effect, served his time - charges were dropped against him all except one charge that he agreed to plead guilty on and he was sentenced to a 90 prison term for "evaluation" - he served 42 days of that term and was deemed not to be a threat to society or to have any mental health reason for him to remain in prison and he was released. The judge in the matter objected to his release and issued a bench warrant to have him rearrested at which time he fled the country.

    Sounds to me like those who are refusing to honor the request to extradite are on the moral high ground here. You can bitch and moan about the leniency of the original plea deal and settlement, but it's a little like double jeopardy, wouldn't you agree, to serve the time you agreed to and then have the judge turn around and say he wants another shot at you, likely because he got grief from the public for his lenient sentence.
    And he is a French citizen I believe.

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    Re: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    He is now. He has lived there so long that he has been naturalized. He was an American citizen when he fled.
    Acording to Wikipedia, he was born in Poland but as of 1976 is a naturalized French citizen, 1 year before this case so he was a French citizen when he did this.

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    Re: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    I actually did a double-take.

    Did you just say that the French should have listened to American military advisors... In Vietnam?

    You can not be serious. The Americans lost Vietnam worse than the French by a country mile. Look at the statistics!
    Lets put it this way, JFK like the French ignored a former five star general and his military advisors and got us in a shooting war in Southeast Asia.

    If you ever took War 101 and looked at a topographical map of Dien Bien Phu, what in #### were the French thinking ?

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    We didn't militarly loose in Vietnam. The American soldier was never defeated on the battlefield. Even Gen. Giap in 1968 after his defeat during the Tet Offensive aknowledge that he could never defeat the Americans on the battlefield. The American soldiers knew how to read a map.

    When the last American combat troops left South Vietnam in 1973 every providence in South Vietnam was secured and left into the hands of ARVAN.
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    Re: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    A bit of background. Roman Polanski, a famous American film director, drugged and raped a 13 year old child. The child was an aspiring actress, and he was a powerful film director.

    He was 43 years old when he forced himself on the little girl.

    After being found guilty in a California court, Polanski fled to France hours before he was to be formally sentenced. The sentence was expected to be jail time.

    To this day, France refuses to extradite Polanski. Polanski lives a comfortable life in a French chateau, drinking wine and continuing to direct movies. Meanwhile a young girl's life was forever scarred.

    The French will not extradite him because they disapprove of the fact that the USA allows the death penalty (even though this is not a case where the death penalty would apply). They say they will extradite him only after the USA makes the death penalty illegal.

    How, if at all, does this case affect your perception of France?
    What prompted you to post about this 36 years after it happened?

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    Re: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

    15% of the voters in this poll voted for:

    'A little rape never harmed anyone.'

    Very CREEPY.....I hope they hit the wrong button or were making a sick joke.

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    Re: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Lets put it this way, JFK like the French ignored a former five star general and his military advisors and got us in a shooting war in Southeast Asia.

    If you ever took War 101 and looked at a topographical map of Dien Bien Phu, what in #### were the French thinking ?

    BTW:
    We didn't militarly loose in Vietnam. The American soldier was never defeated on the battlefield. Even Gen. Giap in 1968 after his defeat during the Tet Offensive aknowledge that he could never defeat the Americans on the battlefield. The American soldiers knew how to read a map.

    When the last American combat troops left South Vietnam in 1973 every providence in South Vietnam was secured and left into the hands of ARVAN.
    Here is an entire list of Vietnam War battles that the Americans lost:

    Lost Battles of the Vietnam War

    I hear this myth bouncing around a lot, that American soldiers never lost a battle, as if they're somehow invincible, despite more than 50,000 of them dying in that country. I think it propagates the myth that America's 'hands were tied' in that war, and they wouldn't have lost if only for those damn hippies and politicians holding them back.

    That's ridiculous. For the better part of a decade, the US was trying its absolute hardest to bring North Vietnam to its knees -- and along the way, they, like every other nation, lost plenty of battles. It's only to be expected: They were fighting a well-organised and well-equipped enemy that was being supplied by the (then) arguably most powerful nation in the world.

    I think it's a dishonour and a disservice to those military men who died there, to claim that they were hamstrung by their own politicians. They were fighting huge, pitched battles and they died by the thousands, in a brutal war that saw a superpower beaten both politically and militarily. It is morally reprehensible to try to whitewash Vietnam by changing the facts to fit your ridiculous agenda.

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