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  • I can't believe France is protecting a child raper

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  • The French are absolutely correct to do what they're doing.

    4 14.81%
  • It's wrong, but hey... cest la vie

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Thread: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

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    Re: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    The French stand in the way.
    Fait accompli.

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    Re: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    You're correct, they only aided and abetted the crime of flight from justice (a felony in every jurisdiction). They ALSO are guilty of harboring. So two crimes instead of just the one.
    Nuke 'em?

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    Re: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    The French are your buddies, too, unless you're anti-American.

    Seriously, I can't believe how much anti-French sentiment there is among ignorant right-wing nuts in the US -- you all should be praising France, not decrying it. France, historically, has been and is probably the US's most reliable ally, and indeed without France there would be no US in the first place.

    Further to that, the French political system and the US political system and general culture are remarkably similar -- both countries fought to overthrow tyrants, establish republicanism, and served as a liberal bulwark against reactionaries across the world, and continue to do so today. French and American foreign policy are largely identical in the broad strokes, and, along with Britain, France and the US represent the general trend of Western civilisation and work actively together to promote it.

    I just don't get why some conservatives hate France. Was it the Iraq War thing? Well that went realllly well. But then why isn't there similar hate for Britain, who refused to join the US in Vietnam?

    I suspect it's rivalry -- given so many cultural, historical and current similarities, there's bound to be some brotherly rivalry. Each believes it represents the best form of Western civilisation.

    Even so, the vitriol is a bit much, for so close an ally, no?
    Virtually all of that is half truth, if that. They are not now, nor have they ever been our "buddies". And that anti-French sentiment isn't confined to the right alone, never was. In fact just about every member of the greatest generation felt just that way about France. They haven't been much of a reliable ally and they showed up once to help us in the Revolutionary War (Yorktown), the Dutch did far more for us. Oh, and they SOLD us weapons. Not to mention they'd been killing us before and after.

    The answer to the question is - no, they are not now, nor have ever been a close ally.

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    Re: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    No one said they did. It was a question to get you to start thinking about it. Why doesn't the FBI send someone? Is France protecting him? Or just not helping the US by handing him over? Why do you even care more than the victim?
    We know France is protecting him because they've denied extradition requests, and they intervened with the Swiss and got Switzerland to deny the extradition request when Polanski traveled to Swizerland in 2006.

    They have a legal right to do that, but we also have a right as the American public to remind the French that we're displeased. It can't really escalate beyond that.

    As to why the feds aren't involved (and they aren't, this is still a local case), I'm smart but I'm not THAT smart. I actually have no clue how that process works - how something goes from being a local case to being a federal case... so I wouldn't begin to know how to answer that. It would be interesting to look in to though.

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    Re: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Ok, now someone has made a political issue of it.

    If any of that was true, he should have been on Clinton's list in 2001.
    Isn't the DP suppose to be a political forum ?

    I'm curious who else Obama will pardon at the end of his term if he doesn't resign or is impeached and convicted ?

    It's been awhile since Polanski gave some quaaludes to the 13 year old and sodomized her. But it was the norm back then in the Hollywood Hills. And it still probably is.

    Polanski panicked and fled the country.

    I watched the interview some years ago of the victim who isn't a 13 year old any more. She has moved on, in fact it was her mother who called for Polanski's head, not the girl.

    If I remember correctly the girl was on the phone talking to a friend telling her friend about her affair with Polanski and her sister was listening to the conversation on the extension and told her mother. If the victims sister wouldn't have been snooping on her, mom would have never found out and Polanski would have probably been entertaining Obama this morning in the Hollywood Hills.

    There have been dozens of the Hollywood libs and rock stars on the Left Coast who got caught in the same situation, the difference being they didn't flee the country.

    As for France, France is France and France is in Europe.

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    Re: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Virtually all of that is half truth, if that. They are not now, nor have they ever been our "buddies". And that anti-French sentiment isn't confined to the right alone, never was. In fact just about every member of the greatest generation felt just that way about France. They haven't been much of a reliable ally and they showed up once to help us in the Revolutionary War (Yorktown), the Dutch did far more for us. Oh, and they SOLD us weapons. Not to mention they'd been killing us before and after.

    The answer to the question is - no, they are not now, nor have ever been a close ally.
    Oh I'll disagree with that. The French are an ally. They're just a special kind of "high maintenance" ally that needs to be argued with almost nonstop.

    Also I agree, let's not make the Revolutionary War support out to be some act of altruism. It was in France's interests that Britain should be defeated. That's why they supported us. The same reason we supported South Korea during the Korean war. It was in our interest that the Soviets not gain a foothold in that part of Asia. Same old geopolitics, different players/era.

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    Re: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    You're correct, they only aided and abetted the crime of flight from justice (a felony in every jurisdiction). They ALSO are guilty of harboring. So two crimes instead of just the one.
    Sure, whatever. Like every other country. Not sure why this in particular is an issue.
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    Re: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

    None of the above.

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    Re: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    We know France is protecting him because they've denied extradition requests, and they intervened with the Swiss and got Switzerland to deny the extradition request when Polanski traveled to Swizerland in 2006.
    So they're just not helping the US. That's all. Extradition proceedings operate wherein the law enforcement with the legal authority to work in a place basically do a favor for those unable to legally operate and hand him over. France just isn't doing the favor. Okay, moving on to important matters in the world...

    They have a legal right to do that, but we also have a right as the American public to remind the French that we're displeased. It can't really escalate beyond that.
    Ah, crap! Still talking about this one. Okay: YOU'RE displeased. I don't care. You don't speak for everyone.

    As to why the feds aren't involved (and they aren't, this is still a local case), I'm smart but I'm not THAT smart. I actually have no clue how that process works - how something goes from being a local case to being a federal case... so I wouldn't begin to know how to answer that. It would be interesting to look in to though.
    They don't because it would open a can of worms. France doesn't have to "protect" him. They just don't have to help the US. A sin of omission, not commission. They're not do anything except not helping. That's all.
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    Re: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    So they're just not helping the US. That's all. Extradition proceedings operate wherein the law enforcement with the legal authority to work in a place basically do a favor for those unable to legally operate and hand him over. France just isn't doing the favor. Okay, moving on to important matters in the world...



    Ah, crap! Still talking about this one. Okay: YOU'RE displeased. I don't care. You don't speak for everyone.



    They don't because it would open a can of worms. France doesn't have to "protect" him. They just don't have to help the US. A sin of omission, not commission. They're not do anything except not helping. That's all.
    If it's so unimportant to you (and you keep saying it is) why do you keep returning to debate this? I mean, you've been here pretty much all day. You seem to have some interest in this topic as well and if you don't, well.... bye.

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