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  • I can't believe France is protecting a child raper

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  • The French are absolutely correct to do what they're doing.

    4 14.81%
  • It's wrong, but hey... cest la vie

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  • A little rape never harmed anyone.

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Thread: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

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    Re: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    lol

    You never answered why you care about a child rapist in France but don't care about those types of people walking free in lots of other countries, including the US.
    Who says I don't care about those types of people walking around in other countries? I think all child rapists should get what's coming to them. That kind of thing should never be allowed to go unpunished - I don't care how rich you are, I don't care how powerful your buddies are, nobody should be above the law.

    And that's really what happened here, isn't it? The man did the crime and got away with it, because of his money, power, and fame. That ain't right. The law needs to apply to everyone.

    How else can we protect society's most vulnerable - if a 13 year old girl doesn't need our protection, I don't know what we even have laws for.

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    You also never responded when I told you that no, Polanski was arrested and no, France didn't help him avoid arrest.

    Why?
    France is currently helping him avoid arrest. There's a warrant out for Roman Polanski, and France is choosing to ignore it. That's pretty cut and dry if you ask me.

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    Re: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    How did the country and aid and abet? Did they help plan it? Help in its execution? Help him avoid arrest?

    Do you know what 'aid and abet' means? Cause it looks like no.
    Heh, open mouth and remove all doubt eh? They did indeed help him to avoid arrest AND hindered efforts to take him into custody. That falls under aid and abet.


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    Did I accuse anyone of losing sleep? I'm giving my opinion that this is such a trivial non-issue in state-to-state relations that it's laughable. This is like a cable news type of issue.
    Actually no, it is more significant than that, or should be to our government. We have an extradition treaty with France. If they are not going to honor that then our government should make them feel the consequences of violating said treaty. We should have cut off trade back when he first fled and they refused.

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    Re: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    So if you want to rape a young girl, the key to never having to go to jail is to avoid capture for long enough where the victim has moved on with her life and doesn't want to drag it up anymore.

    No thanks.
    I didn't say that at all. I'm talking about THIS specific case. Let's keep the correct frame of reference. Interfering in this woman's life is unwelcome. She believes justice is not the DA's purpose in bringing this up now and she prefers not to be part of his publicity, name making opportunity. If we examine the details and look at the case honestly, this is what is best for this woman. We need to trust her to know her own mind.
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    Re: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    I didn't say that at all. I'm talking about THIS specific case. Let's keep the correct frame of reference. Interfering in this woman's life is unwelcome. She believes justice is not the DA's purpose in bringing this up now and she prefers not to be part of his publicity, name making opportunity. If we examine the details and look at the case honestly, this is what is best for this woman. We need to trust her to know her own mind.
    Don't think that I don't see it from your perspective, I do. I understand what you're saying. I just look at it a little differently.

    I think that she's been able to overcome this is a testament to her strength and resilience. I admire her for that. She's no longer a child, but a grown woman. To me, at the heart of this issue is the protection of children.

    While I respect this woman's point of view, to me the most important question we need to be asking is what needs to be done to protect every other 13 year old girl out there from predators like this. The ones who are still children and who need our protection.

    Here's how I see what happened. A sick 43 year old man sexually assaulted a child. He was able to get away with it because he is rich, powerful, and well-connected.

    I think it's important to recognize that for what it is. What's to stop it from happening again? What's to stop another wealthy, powerful, connected man from treating another young girl like a piece of trash?

    There is nothing to stop that, because we haven't shown that we're strong enough or willing enough to do anything about these sorts of people. They just walk between the raindrops.

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    Re: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Who says I don't care about those types of people walking around in other countries? I think all child rapists should get what's coming to them. That kind of thing should never be allowed to go unpunished - I don't care how rich you are, I don't care how powerful your buddies are, nobody should be above the law.

    And that's really what happened here, isn't it? The man did the crime and got away with it, because of his money, power, and fame. That ain't right. The law needs to apply to everyone.

    How else can we protect society's most vulnerable - if a 13 year old girl doesn't need our protection, I don't know what we even have laws for.
    We have laws to have a generally orderly society. Oftentimes, for international relations purposes, that's ignored.

    France is currently helping him avoid arrest. There's a warrant out for Roman Polanski, and France is choosing to ignore it. That's pretty cut and dry if you ask me.
    But he got arrested...are you saying he wasn't arrested? France just isn't sending him back. The US can send the FBI and try to arrest him if they want. Why don't they?
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    Re: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Heh, open mouth and remove all doubt eh? They did indeed help him to avoid arrest AND hindered efforts to take him into custody. That falls under aid and abet.
    lol cb. You're better than this. Aid and Abet legal definition of Aid and Abet. Aid and Abet synonyms by the Free Online Law Dictionary. "To assist another in the commission of a crime by words or conduct."

    You're confusing harboring with aiding and abetting. Words have meaning. You should use them.

    Actually no, it is more significant than that, or should be to our government. We have an extradition treaty with France. If they are not going to honor that then our government should make them feel the consequences of violating said treaty. We should have cut off trade back when he first fled and they refused.
    It's entirely unimportant. Just like when the US engaged in Operation Paperclip.
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    Re: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    You liberals normally just annoy me a little, but this is outright disgusting. You're going to rubber stamp the rape of a 13 year old girl simply because your buddies, the French, have done so?

    Disgusting.

    So what if the girl (now woman, thanks to the passage of time) has tried to put it behind her? What do you expect her to do? She's not going to get any closure on this from the justice system thanks to the French. What would you expect her to do, for her own sanity?? OF COURSE she is going to say and do what she is doing.

    That doesn't mean pedophilia and rape should go completely unpunished. My goodness.
    The French are your buddies, too, unless you're anti-American.

    Seriously, I can't believe how much anti-French sentiment there is among ignorant right-wing nuts in the US -- you all should be praising France, not decrying it. France, historically, has been and is probably the US's most reliable ally, and indeed without France there would be no US in the first place.

    Further to that, the French political system and the US political system and general culture are remarkably similar -- both countries fought to overthrow tyrants, establish republicanism, and served as a liberal bulwark against reactionaries across the world, and continue to do so today. French and American foreign policy are largely identical in the broad strokes, and, along with Britain, France and the US represent the general trend of Western civilisation and work actively together to promote it.

    I just don't get why some conservatives hate France. Was it the Iraq War thing? Well that went realllly well. But then why isn't there similar hate for Britain, who refused to join the US in Vietnam?

    I suspect it's rivalry -- given so many cultural, historical and current similarities, there's bound to be some brotherly rivalry. Each believes it represents the best form of Western civilisation.

    Even so, the vitriol is a bit much, for so close an ally, no?

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    Re: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

    I wonder if the scenario were flipped, if many of you would feel the same way.

    What if, hypothetically speaking, a 43 year old Texas oil tycoon with some relation to the Bush family raped a 13 year old girl and used his power and connections to flee to Israel, where they refused to extradite him.

    I'd be willing to bet that the very same people who are defending Polanski would be the first to stand up in outrage.

    Guys, your political views are important, I get that. Nothing is important enough to justify child abuse and rape. This goes beyond politics.

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    Re: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    We have laws to have a generally orderly society. Oftentimes, for international relations purposes, that's ignored.



    But he got arrested...are you saying he wasn't arrested? France just isn't sending him back. The US can send the FBI and try to arrest him if they want. Why don't they?

    Extraditions don't work that way. They never do.

    Also, this isn't a federal case.

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    Re: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Extraditions don't work that way. They never do.
    No one said they did. It was a question to get you to start thinking about it. Why doesn't the FBI send someone? Is France protecting him? Or just not helping the US by handing him over? Why do you even care more than the victim?

    Also, this isn't a federal case.
    Maybe we could send the Erik Estrada and CHiPs
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