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  • I can't believe France is protecting a child raper

    14 51.85%
  • The French are absolutely correct to do what they're doing.

    4 14.81%
  • It's wrong, but hey... cest la vie

    6 22.22%
  • A little rape never harmed anyone.

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Thread: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

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    Re: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Bingo.
    Really? So he wasn't arrested? Hmmm.

    Yep.
    No, you don't.

    You said "nothing to lose sleep over," implying that he was losing sleep over this issue.
    Then by that same token, you made a thread about this non-issue, implying that you cared a great deal- which "lose sleep over" is a euphemism for. Or are sometimes implications incorrect?

    He might be, but I doubt it. So what's your point here, that this discussion is trivial? In some ways, you're right. That doesn't mean it isn't worth discussing.
    It's laughable on an international relations level.

    All this stuff still happened. The French are still harboring a child raper. If all I'm doing is stating facts, how can anyone possibly complain about that?
    I don't think anyone is complaining. It's just kinda silly. The French are also harboring killers, torturers, etc. So are the Chinese. So are the Indians. So are the Australians. So are the Americans. So are the Germans. So what? Why do we care about one individual of them?
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    Re: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    How did the country and aid and abet? Did they help plan it? Help in its execution? Help him avoid arrest?

    Do you know what 'aid and abet' means? Cause it looks like no.



    Did I accuse anyone of losing sleep? I'm giving my opinion that this is such a trivial non-issue in state-to-state relations that it's laughable. This is like a cable news type of issue.

    If you want to turn this in to a less-trivial discussion though, we can discuss the need for some international extradition standards. Criminals should not be able to flee across borders willy-nilly, as is the case today. We really need broader and deeper extradition treaties and we really need them to originate from a body like the UN where they can apply to everyone.

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    Re: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    If you want to turn this in to a less-trivial discussion though, we can discuss the need for some international extradition standards. Criminals should not be able to flee across borders willy-nilly, as is the case today. We really need broader and deeper extradition treaties and we really need them to originate from a body like the UN where they can apply to everyone.
    There are standards. Not every nation agrees as far as law enforcement goes, though. Would you agree to extradite someone to Saudi Arabia that converted from Islam to Christianity? Now we see the problem.
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    Re: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Really? So he wasn't arrested? Hmmm.



    No, you don't.



    Then by that same token, you made a thread about this non-issue, implying that you cared a great deal- which "lose sleep over" is a euphemism for. Or are sometimes implications incorrect?



    It's laughable on an international relations level.



    I don't think anyone is complaining. It's just kinda silly. The French are also harboring killers, torturers, etc. So are the Chinese. So are the Indians. So are the Australians. So are the Americans. So are the Germans. So what? Why do we care about one individual of them?
    Yeah, there was a warrant out for his arrest when he boarded the plane to go to France. There's a warrant out for his arrest today. So yes, France is helping him avoid arrest which means they are aiding and abetting him in his crime.

    And since you ask, yes I do care about this issue, that's exactly why I started this thread.

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    Re: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    There are standards. Not every nation agrees as far as law enforcement goes, though. Would you agree to extradite someone to Saudi Arabia that converted from Islam to Christianity? Now we see the problem.
    Oh I see the problem. That doesn't mean it doesn't need to happen in some form. I think certain things, like rape for example, are universally regarded as criminal and, in those cases, we can probably come to more of a consensus regarding extradition.

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    Re: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    When I saw that you quoted me, I snickered out loud "oh, this should be good." As far as inane, pointless responses go, this didn't disappoint.

    It was already made clear that the death penalty would not and could not be in play here, at all. You suggest that it could somehow change, and that suggestion is 100% koo-koo for Coca Puffs, based no doubt on a willful ignorance in favor of a compelling desire to bash the United States. There is no possibility that there could be a death penalty at play here, none whatsoever.

    Not to mention it has absolutely nothing to do with the reasons I objected to soot's post and what HE said.

    Why do you continue to post such sniveling, ignorant things no matter how many times you're crushed down afterwards? Is bashing the US really so important to you that you're willing to come off as an idiot just about every time?
    Again you seem to have no knowledge of the case. He made a plea deal, the judge agreed, then suddenly flipped after Roman had served the time and that is when he bolted. It is ironic that the judge in the case gets no blame what so ever, nor the US justice system and instead you go after France for sticking to its principles..
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    Re: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Yeah, there was a warrant out for his arrest when he boarded the plane to go to France. There's a warrant out for his arrest today. So yes, France is helping him avoid arrest which means they are aiding and abetting him in his crime.
    He was arrested. He was then released. So no, they didn't help him. Then he boarded a plane and left. That wasn't helping.

    They just won't give him back. Big deal.

    And since you ask, yes I do care about this issue, that's exactly why I started this thread.
    Well, I think it's a joke. Best left for Nancy Grace.
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    Re: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by instagramsci View Post
    How's that?
    Roman Polanski - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The issue here is actually that the Judge ****ed up. Polanski served the time agreed. The judge was going to go back on his word and agreement, and THAT is the reason that he fled.
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    Re: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Oh I see the problem. That doesn't mean it doesn't need to happen in some form. I think certain things, like rape for example, are universally regarded as criminal and, in those cases, we can probably come to more of a consensus regarding extradition.
    The world would be a lot easier if everyone just agreed on everything. If France sees the death penalty as horribly as we see killing someone for leaving their religion, let em. Who cares? It's not important.
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    Re: Does the Roman Polanski affair affect your view of the French?[W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Again you seem to have no knowledge of the case. He made a plea deal, the judge agreed, then suddenly flipped after Roman had served the time and that is when he bolted. It is ironic that the judge in the case gets no blame what so ever, nor the US justice system and instead you go after France for sticking to its principles..
    What principles are those, that child rape should go unpunished?

    You can criticize the US justice system all you want, but the fact is that nothing occurred with was outside the rules. Certainly nothing occurred which would exonerate Polanski of what he did.

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