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    Re: Do you agree with the nuclear deal with Iran?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    This could be the worse deal Obama ever made cow tailing to the Iranians....To make a deal like this you have to trust them.
    Let's say that I'm highly skeptical, however, if we tell countries that they can change their behavior and come to the table and get on a path to normalization, then I think when there are signs that is possible we are obligated to try it. The caveat to that of course being that we need to continue our due diligence and verification so that we are not suckered.

    Otherwise, what is the point of telling countries that there is another path if in fact we are unwilling to accept the other path ourselves? Let's give them a little rope to hang themselves with, and then we'll be all the more justified in doing something should this turn out to be a fake.

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    Re: Do you agree with the nuclear deal with Iran?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Better to try negotiations rather than just prepare for war.
    Negotiations can absolutely be part of your package - however, you do not reduce your pressure just in order to give someone a reward for agreeing to take what they already have. Which is what we just did.

    You also need to recognize what the oppositions' goals is. In this case, it is to draw out negotiations long enough to get the bomb. In which case when you enter into negotiations, you keep the pressure on that we have.

    The worst part about this is that everyone agrees why the Iranians were willing to enter into negotiations over their nuclear program - because the sanctions were killing them. So we take away their only incentive to negotiate (outside of fear of a strike, which they now know isn't coming from us, at least) at the same time that we get from them..... nothing. This is akin to walking into a car dealership and saying that you want to buy a car, but you refuse to pay anything more than 10% over the sticker price. We are negotiating in the wrong direction.

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    Re: Do you agree with the nuclear deal with Iran?

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    Let's say that I'm highly skeptical, however, if we tell countries that they can change their behavior and come to the table and get on a path to normalization, then I think when there are signs that is possible we are obligated to try it. The caveat to that of course being that we need to continue our due diligence and verification so that we are not suckered.

    Otherwise, what is the point of telling countries that there is another path if in fact we are unwilling to accept the other path ourselves? Let's give them a little rope to hang themselves with, and then we'll be all the more justified in doing something should this turn out to be a fake.
    Hooray but by then they will have the Bomb and if we try to hang them they can kill millions of people and plunge the middle east into nightmare and chaos, meaning that they are effectively lynch-proof.

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    Re: Do you agree with the nuclear deal with Iran?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Hooray but by then they will have the Bomb and if we try to hang them they can kill millions of people and plunge the middle east into nightmare and chaos, meaning that they are effectively lynch-proof.
    It's a **** situation either way you look at it.

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    Re: Do you agree with the nuclear deal with Iran?

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    It's a **** situation either way you look at it.
    True. But that is no excuse to give the milk away for free.

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    Re: Do you agree with the nuclear deal with Iran?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I wonder if the Czechs have any particularly interesting takes on that.



    In the Middle East you are never friends. You are either strong and a partner, strong and an enemy, or weak and despised. We just proved that we are weak.



    Sadly not true. The Iranians are running a marathon, and every day that it is busy failing is a day they come closer to the finish line.
    True on the Chezk's. But we are not negotiating a country away in hopes of maintaining peace. This deal doesn't give Iran any country just some time to see if they abide by this first deal. Completely different analogy than Chamberlain. You're strong and weak scenario may be true, I suppose we will find out in 6 months or so.

    As for the marathon, the Iranians would get their bomb if we did nothing and maintained the status quo. That I have no doubt. But perhaps against long odds this just might work. One never knows if one does not try.
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    Re: Do you agree with the nuclear deal with Iran?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I don't think there ever should have been any sanctions against Iran. We've been kissing Israel's ass in a metaphorical fashion. We invaded nations on both sides of Iran and it is the Iranians that are taking a chance trusting us.
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    Re: Do you agree with the nuclear deal with Iran?

    The Nazis in 'Israel' will have to be stopped before they murder millions. I am disappointed that the Iranians didn't tighten their belts and go all out for a deterrent to these racists scum, but this is a cowardly time with the rich in total control. Pity.

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    Re: Do you agree with the nuclear deal with Iran?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    True on the Chezk's. But we are not negotiating a country away in hopes of maintaining peace. This deal doesn't give Iran any country just some time to see if they abide by this first deal. Completely different analogy than Chamberlain. You're strong and weak scenario may be true, I suppose we will find out in 6 months or so.

    As for the marathon, the Iranians would get their bomb if we did nothing and maintained the status quo. That I have no doubt. But perhaps against long odds this just might work. One never knows if one does not try.
    I agree .. but at some point the Iranians will get their bomb regardless of what we do .. and they should.

    Not often that I agree with CFR analysis .. but this is right on the money, although written more than a year ago ..
    Why Iran Should Get the Bomb | Foreign Affairs

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    Re: Do you agree with the nuclear deal with Iran?

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAsCoal View Post
    I agree .. but at some point the Iranians will get their bomb regardless of what we do .. and they should.

    Not often that I agree with CFR analysis .. but this is right on the money, although written more than a year ago ..
    Why Iran Should Get the Bomb | Foreign Affairs
    I am not so sure about Iran with a bomb brings more stability to the area. But it is something to think about. There has been many reports on the news that the Saudi's are now considering getting the bomb because along with Israel they don't trust this deal. Then how far behind them will other countries of the middle east decide to try to obtain the bomb? I don't know. As crazy as MAD was during the old war, it worked. I suppose time will tell.
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