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    Re: Do you agree with the nuclear deal with Iran?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    And you didn't answer my question either. Why is he suddenly a expert on treaties and foreign policy?
    I'll answer the question then: It doesn't. It doesn't make him any more a expert on treaties than Clinton was when it came to the middle east peace accord, or Reagan with the START treaties. This is why Presidents have cabinet positions; to fill with people who know these things and can represent his interests.

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    Re: Do you agree with the nuclear deal with Iran?

    After reading your citation I remain sceptical.... It seems a 6 month agreement to agree to continue discussing an agreement should certain stipulations be fulfilled. Stipulations that will take longer than 6 months to develop a verifiable inspection system.

    For me, This situation is very 'iffy' at best and may be a stalling tactic or a diversionary attempt to forestall an attack from S.A. and Isr.

    I hope for the best; it seems unlikely to occur.

    Thom Paine

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    Re: Do you agree with the nuclear deal with Iran?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thom Paine View Post
    After reading your citation I remain sceptical.... It seems a 6 month agreement to agree to continue discussing an agreement should certain stipulations be fulfilled. Stipulations that will take longer than 6 months to develop a verifiable inspection system.

    For me, This situation is very 'iffy' at best and may be a stalling tactic or a diversionary attempt to forestall an attack from S.A. and Isr.

    I hope for the best; it seems unlikely to occur.

    Thom Paine
    I don't have a problem with a six month trial period. It's long enough to figure out the kinks in the agreement, and short enough so that we're not stuck with a crappy one. If we have reason to believe that Iran is holding up their end of the bargain and if Iran decides it likes the economic incentives as a result of it, then we'll almost certainly extend the life of the agreement.

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    Re: Do you agree with the nuclear deal with Iran?

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Does that really matter?
    IOW ... isn't it more important to read how Iran chooses to interpret the thing?
    Of course it is but we only have press releases from the WH. My scepticism reigns supreme in this matter. The administration's foreign policy expertise leaves me wanting.

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    Re: Do you agree with the nuclear deal with Iran?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thom Paine View Post
    After reading your citation I remain sceptical.... It seems a 6 month agreement to agree to continue discussing an agreement should certain stipulations be fulfilled. Stipulations that will take longer than 6 months to develop a verifiable inspection system.

    For me, This situation is very 'iffy' at best and may be a stalling tactic or a diversionary attempt to forestall an attack from S.A. and Isr.

    I hope for the best; it seems unlikely to occur.

    Thom Paine
    You seem to think that Iran would be swayed to stop their nuclear program because of an attack by Israel. If it was that easy Israel would have done it years ago.

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    Re: Do you agree with the nuclear deal with Iran?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I don't have a problem with a six month trial period. It's long enough to figure out the kinks in the agreement, and short enough so that we're not stuck with a crappy one. If we have reason to believe that Iran is holding up their end of the bargain and if Iran decides it likes the economic incentives as a result of it, then we'll almost certainly extend the life of the agreement.
    I sincerely hope you are correct and I am wrong.... (sigh...) time will tell.

    Thom Paine

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    Re: Do you agree with the nuclear deal with Iran?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thom Paine View Post
    After reading your citation I remain sceptical.... It seems a 6 month agreement to agree to continue discussing an agreement should certain stipulations be fulfilled. Stipulations that will take longer than 6 months to develop a verifiable inspection system.

    For me, This situation is very 'iffy' at best and may be a stalling tactic or a diversionary attempt to forestall an attack from S.A. and Isr.

    I hope for the best; it seems unlikely to occur.

    Thom Paine
    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I don't have a problem with a six month trial period. It's long enough to figure out the kinks in the agreement, and short enough so that we're not stuck with a crappy one. If we have reason to believe that Iran is holding up their end of the bargain and if Iran decides it likes the economic incentives as a result of it, then we'll almost certainly extend the life of the agreement.
    I was discussing this with a friend and what I told him, when he expressed similar skepticism, is to look at the alternative. That is, if the plan falls through in six months, we are left with only two options when it comes to dealing with Iran: accept that they are going to have a nuclear program or launch a military attack and try to wipe them out. Given the alternative, I'd rather give peace a chance.

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    Re: Do you agree with the nuclear deal with Iran?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thom Paine View Post
    Of course it is but we only have press releases from the WH. My scepticism reigns supreme in this matter. The administration's foreign policy expertise leaves me wanting.

    Thom Paine
    We could be on the verge of a giant screw-job because Obama needs to regain stature and Iran is more than willing to be paid to blow 6 months of smoke over their nuke development.
    Not a good mix.

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    Re: Do you agree with the nuclear deal with Iran?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thom Paine View Post
    I sincerely hope you are correct and I am wrong.... (sigh...) time will tell.

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    What's there for me to be incorrect about? My position is that the points of the agreement appear positive on the face of it and that in six months we'll see how it works out. Now if you want to argue that the points are not, in fact, good, then that's one thing, but I don't think you can really argue that in six months time we'll find out.

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    Re: Do you agree with the nuclear deal with Iran?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    You seem to think that Iran would be swayed to stop their nuclear program because of an attack by Israel. If it was that easy Israel would have done it years ago.
    I think Iran may be concerned with Saudi Arabia and Israel modifying the Irani landscape by turning certain areas into glass paved parking lots for a Wal-Mart expansion program.

    Thom Paine

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