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  • Yes, it is perfectly fine for wait staff to have a lower wage, they are making that up in tips.

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  • No, It is the job of the management to pay their employees accordingly.

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Thread: Wait staff, tipping, and Minimum Wage

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    Wait staff, tipping, and Minimum Wage

    So, the "living wage" thread and the "minimum wage" thread brought to mind an old annoyance...

    I think it is absurd that Wait Staff has a different Minimum Wage.
    I feel that tips should be extra, not expected.


    If you have a great hostess, then the business owner should be the one paying her instead of me. We have become so accustomed to the Tip are Wages that we just go with it and pay the extra 20%. I am a heavy tipper as I know that is how they get paid. I have worked for "tips only", so I understand. BUT.... I feel it is the managers job to pay the staff accordingly, not the client.
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    Re: Wait staff, tipping, and Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    So, the "living wage" thread and the "minimum wage" thread brought to mind an old annoyance...

    I think it is absurd that Wait Staff has a different Minimum Wage.
    I feel that tips should be extra, not expected.


    If you have a great hostess, then the business owner should be the one paying her instead of me. We have become so accustomed to the Tip are Wages that we just go with it and pay the extra 20%. I am a heavy tipper as I know that is how they get paid. I have worked for "tips only", so I understand. BUT.... I feel it is the managers job to pay the staff accordingly, not the client.
    I would support their having the same minimum wage as everyone else. But, tell you right now, I would still tip 15-20% on my check.

    Restaurant owners who think anyone can waitress are the ones that go out of business. Waiting tables takes training, talent and skill. That we've gotten into this situation where they make $3/hour or whatever and depend on tips just means that they haven't been valued, in my opinion.

    Restaurant Owners take note: Your waitstaff is the face of your restaurant. It doesn't just take a warm body to successfully wait tables. It's hard work. It requires excellent time management skills. And it takes someone who has real motivation to put the customer first.

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    Re: Wait staff, tipping, and Minimum Wage

    Have to say, when I was working for tips I liked having a low salary. Kept the IRS off my tail and pretty much made me judgement proof. Of course back then none of the places tracked tip income and the IRS didn't step up to take an automatic piece whether you are tipped or not.

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    Re: Wait staff, tipping, and Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I would support their having the same minimum wage as everyone else. But, tell you right now, I would still tip 15-20% on my check.

    Restaurant owners who think anyone can waitress are the ones that go out of business. Waiting tables takes training, talent and skill. That we've gotten into this situation where they make $3/hour or whatever and depend on tips just means that they haven't been valued, in my opinion.

    Restaurant Owners take note: Your waitstaff is the face of your restaurant. It doesn't just take a warm body to successfully wait tables. It's hard work. It requires excellent time management skills. And it takes someone who has real motivation to put the customer first.
    Howdy Maggie!

    We are on the same exact page. I am fine with an unskilled person getting an unskilled wage, but your wait staff can make or break a business. It is certainly a skill that is improved upon with experience.
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    Re: Wait staff, tipping, and Minimum Wage

    I worked my way up into fine dining... top restaurants in LA and Napa. Food Servers are skilled at what they do. I loved having a low wage and making tips. If people stopped tipping, or tipped lower, then you would see a decline in the servers. There is not way I would have memorized every ingredient in every dish, knew about all the different vintages of wines from basically every winery in CA, used my excellent communication skills, put up with arrogant chefs who scream at you practically nightly, put up with stuck up celebrities and athletes, etc. for a bigger pay check and smaller tips. There is no way that the clientele of fine dining want that either... when they go to Denny's they expect that quality of food server... when you are spending $100-$1,000 on a bottle of wine and $40 bucks on your main course, etc. You want the best.
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    There is no discernible prevailing way of handling that in my area. It screws women who spend a lot of their lives waitressing though because they have no SS paid in.

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    Re: Wait staff, tipping, and Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I would support their having the same minimum wage as everyone else. But, tell you right now, I would still tip 15-20% on my check.

    Restaurant owners who think anyone can waitress are the ones that go out of business. Waiting tables takes training, talent and skill. That we've gotten into this situation where they make $3/hour or whatever and depend on tips just means that they haven't been valued, in my opinion.

    Restaurant Owners take note: Your waitstaff is the face of your restaurant. It doesn't just take a warm body to successfully wait tables. It's hard work. It requires excellent time management skills. And it takes someone who has real motivation to put the customer first.
    I agree. I tip 20% pretty much no matter what, whether the service is bare bones mediocre or exceptional. Sometimes I'll go to 25% or 30% if it's exceptional. But I don't really like that feeling where in my opinion the server didn't really earn the tip but I feel I should just tip 20% anyway (and so that's what I do).

    I can see both sides of this. If there are high-volume servers making 15-20% of all the money coming in to a pricey restaurant, they have the potential to be making significantly more than minimum wage in some cases, and in those cases, who cares about the hourly wage?

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    Re: Wait staff, tipping, and Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    So, the "living wage" thread and the "minimum wage" thread brought to mind an old annoyance...

    I think it is absurd that Wait Staff has a different Minimum Wage.
    I feel that tips should be extra, not expected.


    If you have a great hostess, then the business owner should be the one paying her instead of me. We have become so accustomed to the Tip are Wages that we just go with it and pay the extra 20%. I am a heavy tipper as I know that is how they get paid. I have worked for "tips only", so I understand. BUT.... I feel it is the managers job to pay the staff accordingly, not the client.
    I dont think that it should be configured into their wages because A. a lot of people don't tip, and B. It creates an excuse for the employers to pay less than minumem wage. Minimum wage exists for a reason and it should be illegal in every occupation to be paid less.
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    Re: Wait staff, tipping, and Minimum Wage

    If we changed it, we'd be more adopting the pay system in other countries where tips are basically non-existant (except from American tourists). A lot of countries are like that. They don't see a reason that waits should have to have a portion of their pay decided individually at the customer level. I don't know how it ends up working out. My guess would be that if we switched to this kind of a pay system, waits would get a huge boost for a short while, while everyone got used to the idea of not tipping, then they'd end up at somewhere around the same rate.


    Just a guess, though.

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    Re: Wait staff, tipping, and Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Grendel View Post
    If we changed it, we'd be more adopting the pay system in other countries where tips are basically non-existant (except from American tourists). A lot of countries are like that. They don't see a reason that waits should have to have a portion of their pay decided individually at the customer level. I don't know how it ends up working out. My guess would be that if we switched to this kind of a pay system, waits would get a huge boost for a short while, while everyone got used to the idea of not tipping, then they'd end up at somewhere around the same rate.

    Just a guess, though.
    And what is the motivation for waitstaff to hussle? To check on their food in the kitchen? To come back to see if they want coffee refills? Another drink? Fill their water glass? Why would they encourage people to have dessert? An after-dinner drink? Without tips? Say good-bye to good service. Guaranteed.

    I was at Calloway Gardens years ago -- at that time, they didn't encourage tipping. They put 15% on everyone's bill. The waitstaff didn't get it. But most diners didn't realize that. When I questioned management about the 15%, they said, in effect, "We use the 15% to help pay their benefits." Crappiest service I ever saw in my life.

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