View Poll Results: Should Tipping be figured into a wait staff wage?

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  • Yes, it is perfectly fine for wait staff to have a lower wage, they are making that up in tips.

    17 28.81%
  • No, It is the job of the management to pay their employees accordingly.

    22 37.29%
  • A combo of both.

    14 23.73%
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Thread: Wait staff, tipping, and Minimum Wage

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    Re: Wait staff, tipping, and Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Porchev View Post
    Well if the amount of hospitality drinks is known and the liquor costs are being actively tracked that is ok then in my opinion. Except for the short pours part, people notice that too.
    Depends on where the liquor is going, in restaurants, it is often service bar that gets those shorts where it is out of sight, if a drink comes back, then add a splash. In dedicated bars it may be that such and such group that is already trashed gets a round of Washington Apples with a tad more cranberry juice, and a bit more of the relatively inexpensive apple schnapps versus a smaller pour of the expensive Crown Royal.
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    Re: Wait staff, tipping, and Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Most the people I know do.
    Are most of the people that you know 18-20 years old viewing their job as a means to get drinking money for the night so that after work they can go out and get trashed and come back the next morning to work hung over so that they can do it all over again??

    And yes I know this is not everyone .. but it is all to common, even those who are there trying to put food on the table for their family and kids often loathe their job - and as such often have little motivation or desire to take pride in it, and have little to no loyalty to their workplace, but are instead motivated by comparably selfish reasons.
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    Re: Wait staff, tipping, and Minimum Wage

    I tip 20% base and up to 25% for excellent service. If the wait staff was getting paid salary I see no point in tipping as my tip is already included in the higher price of food.

    As "cool story bro" anecdote, I had a discussion about tipping a few months ago with a colleague who was on a two week visit from London. We went to lunch together every day while he was in the states and he never got over the speed and attentiveness of American waiters compared to London. I explained to him the idea of the American merit pay system for wait staff and he couldn't quite wrap his head around it. He looked at it as the wait staff working for almost no money until I pointed out to him that the average tip was 10% and each of the 5 tables had a turnover at meal times of 30 minutes, and the average bill for two people was $50 dollars and left him to do the math.

    When he realized that the wait staff was pulling $50/hour during lunch shift in tips alone he quickly realized why the wait staff in America is so much more customer focused than in London. London waiters get paid better hourly wages but don't even touch the take home pay of a good waiter in the US.
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    Re: Wait staff, tipping, and Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    Are most of the people that you know 18-20 years old viewing their job as a means to get drinking money for the night so that after work they can go out and get trashed and come back the next morning to work hung over so that they can do it all over again??

    And yes I know this is not everyone .. but it is all to common, even those who are there trying to put food on the table for their family and kids often loathe their job - and as such often have little motivation or desire to take pride in it, and have little to no loyalty to their workplace, but are instead motivated by comparably selfish reasons.
    All of that can be true and still do a good job while at work. And those who don't really aren't that motivated by tips or commission or anything else. It's always about who you are.

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    Re: Wait staff, tipping, and Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Grendel View Post
    If we changed it, we'd be more adopting the pay system in other countries where tips are basically non-existant (except from American tourists). A lot of countries are like that. They don't see a reason that waits should have to have a portion of their pay decided individually at the customer level. I don't know how it ends up working out. My guess would be that if we switched to this kind of a pay system, waits would get a huge boost for a short while, while everyone got used to the idea of not tipping, then they'd end up at somewhere around the same rate.


    Just a guess, though.
    I will tell you what will happen... service will suck. Service sucks in most of Europe, Australia and New Zealand. There is no competition among servers. Servers don't know anything about the menu, the wines and wait times after ordering can be horrendous.
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    Re: Wait staff, tipping, and Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    I tip 20% base and up to 25% for excellent service. If the wait staff was getting paid salary I see no point in tipping as my tip is already included in the higher price of food.

    As "cool story bro" anecdote, I had a discussion about tipping a few months ago with a colleague who was on a two week visit from London. We went to lunch together every day while he was in the states and he never got over the speed and attentiveness of American waiters compared to London. I explained to him the idea of the American merit pay system for wait staff and he couldn't quite wrap his head around it. He looked at it as the wait staff working for almost no money until I pointed out to him that the average tip was 10% and each of the 5 tables had a turnover at meal times of 30 minutes, and the average bill for two people was $50 dollars and left him to do the math.

    When he realized that the wait staff was pulling $50/hour during lunch shift in tips alone he quickly realized why the wait staff in America is so much more customer focused than in London. London waiters get paid better hourly wages but don't even touch the take home pay of a good waiter in the US.
    I worked dinner shifts... and this was over ten years ago, but if I walked out with less than $100 dollars cash it was a horrible night. Generally I would wait on 5-8 tables a night and make $200-$400 dollars in about 3 hours. Cash in pocket. The $150 dollar pay check every two weeks was just bonus.
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    Re: Wait staff, tipping, and Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    So, the "living wage" thread and the "minimum wage" thread brought to mind an old annoyance...

    I think it is absurd that Wait Staff has a different Minimum Wage.
    I feel that tips should be extra, not expected.


    If you have a great hostess, then the business owner should be the one paying her instead of me. We have become so accustomed to the Tip are Wages that we just go with it and pay the extra 20%. I am a heavy tipper as I know that is how they get paid. I have worked for "tips only", so I understand. BUT.... I feel it is the managers job to pay the staff accordingly, not the client.
    Then you will simply be getting worse service or higher costs for meals...
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    Re: Wait staff, tipping, and Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Then you will simply be getting worse service or higher costs for meals...
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    Re: Wait staff, tipping, and Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I worked dinner shifts... and this was over ten years ago, but if I walked out with less than $100 dollars cash it was a horrible night. Generally I would wait on 5-8 tables a night and make $200-$400 dollars in about 3 hours. Cash in pocket. The $150 dollar pay check every two weeks was just bonus.
    Where in the heck did you work? I made about 150 dollars on an average night. $400 dollars in 3 hours is a LOT of money IMO.

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    Re: Wait staff, tipping, and Minimum Wage

    I've made my opinions of waitresses well known. Other than teachers, the most overpaid "profession" out there.

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