View Poll Results: Should Tipping be figured into a wait staff wage?

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  • Yes, it is perfectly fine for wait staff to have a lower wage, they are making that up in tips.

    17 28.81%
  • No, It is the job of the management to pay their employees accordingly.

    22 37.29%
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    14 23.73%
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Thread: Wait staff, tipping, and Minimum Wage

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    Re: Wait staff, tipping, and Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I just remembered you're a teacher. Of course you don't understand commission. Most teachers don't even think evaluations should be tied to their pay increases. That's the union mentality. "I get paid more every year I'm there." The seniority motivator.

    I always valet my car. It's one of the perks I indulge in. Any time I see cars parked right at the curb by the valet service, when I pull up I offer $5 for the valet to do the same with mine. "$5 now and $5 when I come out." I rarely, if ever, wait for my car. It's sitting curbside when I come out. Why is that? $5 extra.

    When I go to Vegas shows: "Does $20 buy me a seat in the first three rows center?" Yes, it probably does. Sometimes it takes $40. Money is for sharing. And when you share it appropriately with people who serve you? You find out how much nicer life can be.

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    You're a teacher and you're not unionized?
    That's true. Money is a big motivating factor for sure. Since the other poster didn't answer my question, what is your opinion when restaurants include gratuity in the bill? This is usually the case when it's a large party, but I've still wondered how they can get away with that, not that I ever complained of course.

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    Re: Wait staff, tipping, and Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    What it ultimately boils down to is that for the management in restaurants the front of the house staff are viewed as salespeople. Tips are their commission. The service aspect adds another level to this because they are the face and the representation of the establishment. Selling themselves and their service to the guests generate long term income for the establishment in both repeat and new customers through word of mouth.

    The waitstaff (and other tipped employees) like the system, and management/owners like the system. It works, and it is a form of commission, and in sales positions working on commission is the norm, and it is the motivator fro good performance. A few patrons may dislike the system, but it is highly unlikely it is going anywhere since both employer and employee are very content with how it works.
    That's exactly right.

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    Re: Wait staff, tipping, and Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Tipping is so subjective though. Some people always tip good and some people never do, regardless of the quality of the service.

    Also, if people are unhappy with the food, they sometimes won't leave a good tip. That's not really fair because the wait staff doesn't prepare the meals.

    When I was waitressing, I only made like $3 an hour. Some places include gratuity in the bill. What do you think of that?
    While some people tip not based on service, most do. Included tips, usually only for large parties, are designed to protect the server from the morons that divide the bill without first adding in the tip.
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    Re: Wait staff, tipping, and Minimum Wage

    While it has been decades, I remember there being a $2/hour tip credit.
    I think at the time I would make about $6/hour in tips.

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    Re: Wait staff, tipping, and Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    While some people tip not based on service, most do. Included tips, usually only for large parties, are designed to protect the server from the morons that divide the bill without first adding in the tip.
    That's a good point.

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    Re: Wait staff, tipping, and Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    That's true. Money is a big motivating factor for sure. Since the other poster didn't answer my question, what is your opinion when restaurants include gratuity in the bill? This is usually the case when it's a large party, but I've still wondered how they can get away with that, not that I ever complained of course.
    First of all, I think the reason they do it is because, if the check is being divided at the table in a large party, some people forget the tip. Either accidentally or on purpose. As long as it's clearly noted on the menu, I don't have a problem with large party 15% gratuities. If I don't think I got good service, I'm going to take it up with the manager anyway.

    When we have girls' night out, we tell our waiter first-up that we intend to stay a while -- and that we're good tippers. We always get excellent service. (There are five of us.) Minimum tip is 25% on the bill. We just figure it out, adding the 25%, and everybody kicks in their share...even/steven. When I hear a table saying, "Well, you had two drinks; I only had one..." I feel really sorry for the waiter. He's probably going to get stiffed one way or another.

    One thing I'd like to see -- when the waiter drops the check, I think they should remind the diners the gratuity is included in the bill. Too many people miss that on the menu, and then are offended -- or may not notice it and tip on top of it...only to realize later it happened and then feel ripped off.

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    Re: Wait staff, tipping, and Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I just remembered you're a teacher. Of course you don't understand commission. Most teachers don't even think evaluations should be tied to their pay increases. That's the union mentality. "I get paid more every year I'm there." The seniority motivator.

    I always valet my car. It's one of the perks I indulge in. Any time I see cars parked right at the curb by the valet service, when I pull up I offer $5 for the valet to do the same with mine. "$5 now and $5 when I come out." I rarely, if ever, wait for my car. It's sitting curbside when I come out. Why is that? $5 extra.

    When I go to Vegas shows: "Does $20 buy me a seat in the first three rows center?" Yes, it probably does. Sometimes it takes $40. Money is for sharing. And when you share it appropriately with people who serve you? You find out how much nicer life can be.

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    You're a teacher and you're not unionized?
    Do you really believe teaching is all I've ever done? I've been a nurse (LPN), paramedic, truck driver (selling oxygen and supplies as manager of the local branch for the last year), security guard, waiter, and cook. And that doesn't include my time in the service. I came to teaching late in life. In all those jobs, I did my best regardless of method of payment.

    And no, we do not have a union.

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    Re: Wait staff, tipping, and Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    First of all, I think the reason they do it is because, if the check is being divided at the table in a large party, some people forget the tip. Either accidentally or on purpose. As long as it's clearly noted on the menu, I don't have a problem with large party 15% gratuities. If I don't think I got good service, I'm going to take it up with the manager anyway.

    When we have girls' night out, we tell our waiter first-up that we intend to stay a while -- and that we're good tippers. We always get excellent service. (There are five of us.) Minimum tip is 25% on the bill. We just figure it out, adding the 25%, and everybody kicks in their share...even/steven. When I hear a table saying, "Well, you had two drinks; I only had one..." I feel really sorry for the waiter. He's probably going to get stiffed one way or another.

    One thing I'd like to see -- when the waiter drops the check, I think they should remind the diners the gratuity is included in the bill. Too many people miss that on the menu, and then are offended -- or may not notice it and tip on top of it...only to realize later it happened and then feel ripped off.
    As long as you buy a lot of drinks and spend a lot of money, staying and partying isn't a problem. I normally found that I would make more money in the restaurant section where people came and went and I had a lot of different customers as opposed to those who would hang out in the bar area all night, depending upon how much the bill came to of course.

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    Re: Wait staff, tipping, and Minimum Wage

    I'm so glad I don't do that for a living anymore.

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    Re: Wait staff, tipping, and Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    What it ultimately boils down to is that for the management in restaurants the front of the house staff are viewed as salespeople. Tips are their commission. The service aspect adds another level to this because they are the face and the representation of the establishment. Selling themselves and their service to the guests generate long term income for the establishment in both repeat and new customers through word of mouth.

    The waitstaff (and other tipped employees) like the system, and management/owners like the system. It works, and it is a form of commission, and in sales positions working on commission is the norm, and it is the motivator fro good performance. A few patrons may dislike the system, but it is highly unlikely it is going anywhere since both employer and employee are very content with how it works.
    Oh, I don't believe it's going anywhere. I merely object to the notion that it is the only way to get good service.

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