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  • Yes, it is perfectly fine for wait staff to have a lower wage, they are making that up in tips.

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  • No, It is the job of the management to pay their employees accordingly.

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Thread: Wait staff, tipping, and Minimum Wage

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    Re: Wait staff, tipping, and Minimum Wage

    If you spend enough time in the United States (either visiting or living here), it is reasonable to expect you to know that the staff who provide sit-down and bar services are living off their tips. Knowing this, you also know that any position you adopt is nothing more than rationalizing taking food out of a perfect stranger's mouth. To allow someone to serve you, knowing that the custom is that you compensate them for good service, and then walk off without leaving just compensation is theft.

    That said, my understanding is that waitstaff in Europe are paid an actual wage, do not expect tips, and (gasp!) do their job anyway.

    I would much prefer that waitstaff made a reasonable wage and considered tips both a nice surprise and a sign that the customer was supremely satisfied. It'd be sort of like taking the manager aside to sing their praises, only they get a little bonus instead.
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    Re: Wait staff, tipping, and Minimum Wage

    A tip is a gift not a wage. Does anyone else get their wage reduced if their parents give them 20 dollars a week for gas money?
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    Re: Wait staff, tipping, and Minimum Wage

    Alaska, California, Minnesota, Montana, Nevada, Oregon, and Washington do not allow tip credit. Otherwise, if the job normally receives tips, and the employee receives more than $30/month, then the employer can pay less than minimum wage, BUT still must guarantee the employee receives at least min wage. So at regular min wage of $7.25/hour, for someone working 30 hours/week at $2.13/hour tipped min wage they are paid $63.90 for the week. If they do not make $153.60 in tips for the week (the min wage would be ($217.50), the employer must make up the difference.

    So tipped workers are still guaranteed at least minimum wage.
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    Re: Wait staff, tipping, and Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    And what is the motivation for waitstaff to hussle? To check on their food in the kitchen? To come back to see if they want coffee refills? Another drink? Fill their water glass? Why would they encourage people to have dessert? An after-dinner drink? Without tips? Say good-bye to good service.
    Let's be fair. Do you get tipped to do your job? If not, do you do a crap job of it because you're not getting tipped? If waits can't do a good job without the tip system, then why can anyone else?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I was at Calloway Gardens years ago -- at that time, they didn't encourage tipping. They put 15% on everyone's bill. The waitstaff didn't get it. But most diners didn't realize that. When I questioned management about the 15%, they said, in effect, "We use the 15% to help pay their benefits." Crappiest service I ever saw in my life.
    That's just one isolated example. Considering that the management was directly stealing the employees tips, it's not a wonder that the employees did a poor job. If my boss were embezzling from my paycheck, I wouldn't feel particularly motivated, either. That's likely to be more about bad management than about tips.
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    Re: Wait staff, tipping, and Minimum Wage

    I'm tipping the server, not the owner. Minimum wage should apply; tips are extra.

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    Re: Wait staff, tipping, and Minimum Wage

    Even if they are getting tips they should still get minnum wage no matter what they are at the restaurant or establishment giving their time for in which they could be doing something with their family's . Restaurants have slow days so if not enough people come and tip accordingly they could be losing money .
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    Re: Wait staff, tipping, and Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    So, the "living wage" thread and the "minimum wage" thread brought to mind an old annoyance...

    I think it is absurd that Wait Staff has a different Minimum Wage.
    I feel that tips should be extra, not expected.


    If you have a great hostess, then the business owner should be the one paying her instead of me. We have become so accustomed to the Tip are Wages that we just go with it and pay the extra 20%. I am a heavy tipper as I know that is how they get paid. I have worked for "tips only", so I understand.
    BUT.... I feel it is the managers job to pay the staff accordingly, not the client.



    No one in the USA should be paid less than minimum wage.

    And the minimum wage should be a lot higher than what it is.

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    Re: Wait staff, tipping, and Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I would support their having the same minimum wage as everyone else. But, tell you right now, I would still tip 15-20% on my check.

    Restaurant owners who think anyone can waitress are the ones that go out of business. Waiting tables takes training, talent and skill. That we've gotten into this situation where they make $3/hour or whatever and depend on tips just means that they haven't been valued, in my opinion.

    Restaurant Owners take note: Your waitstaff is the face of your restaurant. It doesn't just take a warm body to successfully wait tables. It's hard work. It requires excellent time management skills. And it takes someone who has real motivation to put the customer first.
    It's VERY hard work. I did it for a couple of years and I think I was a TERRIBLE waitress. Lol!

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    Re: Wait staff, tipping, and Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Grendel View Post
    Let's be fair. Do you get tipped to do your job? If not, do you do a crap job of it because you're not getting tipped? If waits can't do a good job without the tip system, then why can anyone else?

    That's just one isolated example. Considering that the management was directly stealing the employees tips, it's not a wonder that the employees did a poor job. If my boss were embezzling from my paycheck, I wouldn't feel particularly motivated, either. That's likely to be more about bad management than about tips.
    When's the last time you saw a postal employee hustle when the line's long? The people behind the deli counter do the same? No, the TIPS system we have for waitstaff works. The good ones make pretty good money; the bad ones make such a poor living, they either get better? Or quit.

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    Re: Wait staff, tipping, and Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    When's the last time you saw a postal employee hustle when the line's long? The people behind the deli counter do the same? No, the TIPS system we have for waitstaff works. The good ones make pretty good money; the bad ones make such a poor living, they either get better? Or quit.

    Why do car salesmen get paid on commission? Realtors? Door-to-door salespeople? Why do some factories pay bonuses on piecework? Carpet and furniture salespeople? Tech firms? Money motivates.
    Do we really believe no one does a good job without these tricks? So, a teacher, a police officer, a construction worker, a cook, and truck driver, none of them, should ever be able to do a good job as no one tips them?

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