View Poll Results: Should Tipping be figured into a wait staff wage?

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  • Yes, it is perfectly fine for wait staff to have a lower wage, they are making that up in tips.

    17 28.81%
  • No, It is the job of the management to pay their employees accordingly.

    22 37.29%
  • A combo of both.

    14 23.73%
  • I need a beer and I don't care...

    6 10.17%
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Thread: Wait staff, tipping, and Minimum Wage

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    Re: Wait staff, tipping, and Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil_Osophy View Post
    Well then we should change the minimum wage laws for servers and make a law that specifically says that gratuities arent taxable.
    Any other earned income you want to see exempt as well? Christmas bonuses? Gains on sale? Capital gains? Rental income?

    You start letting people pick and choose which kinds of income stay out of the tax man's reach, and you're opening a slippery slope to large scale fraud.

    Accountants like me have done this since time immemorial. I set up my uncle's sole proprietorship as an S-corp with full pass-through where he basically claimed about 20,000 of normal salary on about 300,000 dollars of profit annually, using the rest as an AAA distribution (effectively dodging taxes in the process). The IRS got hip to guys like us doing that and fixed it, as well they should have.

    Picking and choosing which income is taxable and which is not is bad news. Pretty much all earned income is taxable, and with good reason.

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    Re: Wait staff, tipping, and Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Not intended by whom? Being a waitress is a perfectly fine career. Not everyone is going to be a rocket surgeon.
    Society, for one. When one looks at certain job types, it becomes obvious by the pay, benefits, etc... that Society does not value that work sufficiently to make it a career track. Retail (non-management) and most Service Industry jobs fall into this category. These jobs have become the bastions of the young, the old, and those who are incapable of qualifying for any other job in the workforce (which should tell us something).

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    Re: Wait staff, tipping, and Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Society, for one. When one looks at certain job types, it becomes obvious by the pay, benefits, etc... that Society does not value that work sufficiently to make it a career track. Retail (non-management) and most Service Industry jobs fall into this category. These jobs have become the bastions of the young, the old, and those who are incapable of qualifying for any other job in the workforce (which should tell us something).
    If society doesn't respect these jobs, should we have them? Isn't an honest day's work enough for respect?

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    Re: Wait staff, tipping, and Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    If society doesn't respect these jobs, should we have them? Isn't an honest day's work enough for respect?
    Society no longer respects them because they do not require any form of significant training, education, or skill set to do. To excell at, maybe, but not to do in a general sense. We have so over-educated ourselves these days that basic manual labor is no longer considered a job to respect or aspire to. Right or wrong, that's just the way it is. Additionally, the people generally filling these positions are.... the young, the old, and those who cannot qualify for anything else; which doesn't help their status any.

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    Re: Wait staff, tipping, and Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Society no longer respects them because they do not require any form of significant training, education, or skill set to do. To excell at, maybe, but not to do in a general sense. We have so over-educated ourselves these days that basic manual labor is no longer considered a job to respect or aspire to. Right or wrong, that's just the way it is. Additionally, the people generally filling these positions are.... the young, the old, and those who cannot qualify for anything else; which doesn't help their status any.
    Seems rather elitist to me.

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    Re: Wait staff, tipping, and Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Seems rather elitist to me.
    Yes it is. I'm not saying it's something I necessarily agree with, just that it seems to be the general manner in which society views these positions today. Unfortunately this has created something of an Infinity Loop.... People in these positions are looked down upon so they don't care about their jobs, and don't do them well, which creates a dissatisfactions amongst the customers which makes people look down upon them.

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    Re: Wait staff, tipping, and Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Yes it is. I'm not saying it's something I necessarily agree with, just that it seems to be the general manner in which society views these positions today. Unfortunately this has created something of an Infinity Loop.... People in these positions are looked down upon so they don't care about their jobs, and don't do them well, which creates a dissatisfactions amongst the customers which makes people look down upon them.
    Maybe. But if we truly value work, we should not look down on anyone who works.

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    Re: Wait staff, tipping, and Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Society no longer respects them because they do not require any form of significant training, education, or skill set to do. To excell at, maybe, but not to do in a general sense. We have so over-educated ourselves these days that basic manual labor is no longer considered a job to respect or aspire to. Right or wrong, that's just the way it is. Additionally, the people generally filling these positions are.... the young, the old, and those who cannot qualify for anything else; which doesn't help their status any.
    Respect doesn't put food on the table.

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    Re: Wait staff, tipping, and Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    So, the "living wage" thread and the "minimum wage" thread brought to mind an old annoyance...

    I think it is absurd that Wait Staff has a different Minimum Wage.
    I feel that tips should be extra, not expected.


    If you have a great hostess, then the business owner should be the one paying her instead of me. We have become so accustomed to the Tip are Wages that we just go with it and pay the extra 20%. I am a heavy tipper as I know that is how they get paid. I have worked for "tips only", so I understand. BUT.... I feel it is the managers job to pay the staff accordingly, not the client.
    Tipping the waitstaff in Japan is considered rude. In Japan, the owners pay their own employees.

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    Re: Wait staff, tipping, and Minimum Wage

    Japan is back-asswards anyway. Burping is considered polite there.

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