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  • Yes, it is perfectly fine for wait staff to have a lower wage, they are making that up in tips.

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  • No, It is the job of the management to pay their employees accordingly.

    22 37.29%
  • A combo of both.

    14 23.73%
  • I need a beer and I don't care...

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Thread: Wait staff, tipping, and Minimum Wage

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    Re: Wait staff, tipping, and Minimum Wage

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    Re: Wait staff, tipping, and Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I also coach the Varsity girls soccer team, if I didn't mention that one already... 7 years now.
    Those are the athletic teenage girls I was talking about.

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    Re: Wait staff, tipping, and Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    So, the "living wage" thread and the "minimum wage" thread brought to mind an old annoyance...

    I think it is absurd that Wait Staff has a different Minimum Wage.
    I feel that tips should be extra, not expected.


    If you have a great hostess, then the business owner should be the one paying her instead of me. We have become so accustomed to the Tip are Wages that we just go with it and pay the extra 20%. I am a heavy tipper as I know that is how they get paid. I have worked for "tips only", so I understand. BUT.... I feel it is the managers job to pay the staff accordingly, not the client.
    I think it's strange that people jumped all over the Walmart-charity concept and ran the big corporate Giant down . . . but people will defend the low wage because 'it would drive hte cost of food up and made eating unaffordable'
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    Re: Wait staff, tipping, and Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    And what is the motivation for waitstaff to hussle? To check on their food in the kitchen? To come back to see if they want coffee refills? Another drink? Fill their water glass? Why would they encourage people to have dessert? An after-dinner drink? Without tips? Say good-bye to good service. Guaranteed.

    I was at Calloway Gardens years ago -- at that time, they didn't encourage tipping. They put 15% on everyone's bill. The waitstaff didn't get it. But most diners didn't realize that. When I questioned management about the 15%, they said, in effect, "We use the 15% to help pay their benefits." Crappiest service I ever saw in my life.
    That should be flat-out illegal.

    They should just raise their prices 15% instead.
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    Re: Wait staff, tipping, and Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    So, the "living wage" thread and the "minimum wage" thread brought to mind an old annoyance...

    I think it is absurd that Wait Staff has a different Minimum Wage.
    I feel that tips should be extra, not expected.


    If you have a great hostess, then the business owner should be the one paying her instead of me. We have become so accustomed to the Tip are Wages that we just go with it and pay the extra 20%. I am a heavy tipper as I know that is how they get paid. I have worked for "tips only", so I understand. BUT.... I feel it is the managers job to pay the staff accordingly, not the client.
    I'm all for paying all people a starvation wage and have them rely on tips to obtain a livable wage. I can't see why this shouldn't apply to all employees. If a bank manager or a managing director of a multi-billion dollar enterprise gives good service by all means leave them a tip commensurate with the service. If the Bubbalonia government hadn't left a tip, instead of tipping the banks trillions of dollars for their pathetic performance and blatant theft of the customer's wallet a few years ago, they would have tried a lot harder to please instead of ripping Americans off even worse.

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    Re: Wait staff, tipping, and Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I will tell you what will happen... service will suck. Service sucks in most of Europe, Australia and New Zealand. There is no competition among servers. Servers don't know anything about the menu, the wines and wait times after ordering can be horrendous.
    Like any other job, employees put in what they get out. Go to a high end restaurant in Paris, where the waits are well paid, and you'll get very good service (so long as you speak French, of course). Go somewhere they're over worked and paid crap, and you won't. You know, just like every other job.

    I don't know if it would be better or worse for waits, but the service would be just like now . . . you get what you pay for. Except it would be a flat rate that you pay in the bill, with the servers getting paid a higher salary, instead of you deciding how much to pay at the table. If you think about it, for those of us who tip well for good service, every time someone stiffs or leaves a crap tip, they're essentially stealing part of our tip from us. They pay less, we pay more . . . same service.

    Anyway, I have no opinion on the matter because it doesn't affect me and I have no idea how the economics would work out for those who it would affect. But that idea that workers won't produce according to pay but only in certain industries seems a bit flawed. I don't get tips. Yet I do a pretty good job. In no small part because I get a very high salary, instead.

    And no, I wouldn't trade that for a tip-based system.

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    Re: Wait staff, tipping, and Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Grendel View Post
    Like any other job, employees put in what they get out. Go to a high end restaurant in Paris, where the waits are well paid, and you'll get very good service (so long as you speak French, of course). Go somewhere they're over worked and paid crap, and you won't. You know, just like every other job.

    I don't know if it would be better or worse for waits, but the service would be just like now . . . you get what you pay for. Except it would be a flat rate that you pay in the bill, with the servers getting paid a higher salary, instead of you deciding how much to pay at the table. If you think about it, for those of us who tip well for good service, every time someone stiffs or leaves a crap tip, they're essentially stealing part of our tip from us. They pay less, we pay more . . . same service.

    Anyway, I have no opinion on the matter because it doesn't affect me and I have no idea how the economics would work out for those who it would affect. But that idea that workers won't produce according to pay but only in certain industries seems a bit flawed. I don't get tips. Yet I do a pretty good job. In no small part because I get a very high salary, instead.

    And no, I wouldn't trade that for a tip-based system.
    Basically what I stated in another post. To maintain the same service standards waiters would have to be paid more meaning the cost of food/wine would rise as a result.
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    Re: Wait staff, tipping, and Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    When's the last time you saw a postal employee hustle when the line's long? The people behind the deli counter do the same? No, the TIPS system we have for waitstaff works. The good ones make pretty good money; the bad ones make such a poor living, they either get better? Or quit.
    Yes and no. You're point is good, and I agree with it. But it's only one side of the story.

    It does work for motivation, to an extent. The flip side is that tipping has evolved into an entitlement mentality. Even bad servers expect... virtually demand... good tips. Bad servers delude themselves into thinking they "deserve" good tips because of their crappy wages*.

    Too many customers now either don't know what is appropriate to tip or they overcompensate to the point that some feel 20%+ is "minimum" even for bad service. 20%+?!? As a minimum? Think about that. It's absurd.**

    Generally, the only people who say "it works" are those who rely on tips, and even then only because they know they get more overall with low wages and tips than they'd get with minimum wage and no tips. Even with that, they still whine about the odd person who stiffs them, and willfully ignore the bigger picture. It's a major clusterfluke for everybody else involved.

    No, it doesn't really 'work'. To work, it has to work for both sides.

    *- I believe minimum wage should prevail for even tipped employees, but that's another point for another post.
    **-I often tip more than 20%, but it shouldn't be considered a minimum.



    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Why do car salesmen get paid on commission? Realtors? Door-to-door salespeople? Why do some factories pay bonuses on piecework? Carpet and furniture salespeople? Tech firms? Money motivates.
    Most of these examples are also industries that have poor reputations for lying and deception. Sure, money motivates, especially when they know the likelihood of ever seeing you as a customer again, even if you are happy, is virtually zero.
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    Re: Wait staff, tipping, and Minimum Wage

    Sounds like a case of improper grounds to fire an employee...
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