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    What is a "liveable wage"?

    I've seen far too many people (that lack any sort of basic economic education) discuss some fictitious term like "liveable wage". I think it's time we let liberals define it.

    What is it, people?

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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    It's enough to pay my bills, and have some leftover for a little fun.
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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I've seen far too many people (that lack any sort of basic economic education) discuss some fictitious term like "liveable wage". I think it's time we let liberals define it.

    What is it, people?
    n 1776 Adam Smith in the Wealth of Nations argued that poverty is the inability to afford, "not only the commodities which are indispensably necessary for the support of life, but whatever the custom of the country renders it indecent for creditable people, even of the lowest order, to be without.
    In the Wealth of Nations the poverty line or some livable wage doesn't mean someone gets by stacked in a room paying rent with 5 or 6 others, wearing the same clothes for 5 years, and living off of beans.

    It would be someone that generally can afford rent/clothing/food and have a little left over.
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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    For where? A live able wage in San Francisco is far different then my home in Denio Junction where I can live on $750 a month and save for retirement.

    Also is every job required to pay a living wage? Why? Why do that to an entry level opportunity for teens and what impacts would such a decision have on the fixed income masses who won't get cost of living increases fast enough to stay up with the inflation of higher mandated wages. I personally think a man should be free to work for what he wants how ever high or low that May be.

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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    While they're at it, maybe they could define for us what "rich" or "wealthy" means too.

    I voted "there is no such thing..." - with an important caveat - that such a term is necessarily and purely subjective, ergo any objective definition cannot exist.
    Who chimes "No Absolutes!" chimes absolutely.

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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    My current wage times 5.
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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    In the Wealth of Nations the poverty line or some livable wage doesn't mean someone gets by stacked in a room paying rent with 5 or 6 others, wearing the same clothes for 5 years, and living off of beans.

    It would be someone that generally can afford rent/clothing/food and have a little left over.
    I'll tackle this:

    Here are some other percentages that run down the things that poverty-stricken Americans own. The number in parentheses is provided for comparison. That’s the percentage of Americans living above the poverty line who own the same stuff.
    ■Refrigerators: 97.8 (99.5)
    ■Clothes washers: 68.7 (88.1)
    ■Clothes dryers: 65.3 (86.6)
    ■Dishwashers: 44.9 (73.5)
    ■Food freezers: 26.2 (37.5)
    ■Stoves: 96.6 (98.9)
    ■Microwaves: 93.2 (97.4)
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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    My current wage times 5.
    Indeed. But without the ex finding out!


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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    There is no such thing as a "living wage" or "livable wage" because wages are not determined with any consideration given to what a person's lifestyle needs are.

    If a local grocer wants to hire someone to keep shopping carts from cluttering the parking lot and keep the icy sidewalks salted, and two interested applicants show up, a 35-year old single father of three, and a 16-year old only child who lives at home with his middle class parents…

    …what is the living wage that the job should pay?

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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I'll tackle this:
    Here are some other percentages that run down the things that poverty-stricken Americans own. The number in parentheses is provided for comparison. That’s the percentage of Americans living above the poverty line who own the same stuff.
    ■Refrigerators: 97.8 (99.5)
    ■Clothes washers: 68.7 (88.1)
    ■Clothes dryers: 65.3 (86.6)
    ■Dishwashers: 44.9 (73.5)
    ■Food freezers: 26.2 (37.5)
    ■Stoves: 96.6 (98.9)
    ■Microwaves: 93.2 (97.4)

    I wouldn't call some of those things luxuries. For example, fridges and stoves or microwaves: having the ability to safely store and cook food should be considered fairly minimum. Unless you want everybody cooking on an open fire in the inner cities. I suppose you could have one kitchen per floor, but that seems rather Stalin-esque. In fact, they tried that in the USSR and it didn't really work.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
    Quote Originally Posted by Oborosen View Post
    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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