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    7 14.29%
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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    A living wage means someone is able to function with the basics of stability, food, and the necessities to keep their job.
    I eliminated the rhetorical parts of the post and this was all that remained.

    So if someone can do this under minimum wage, all is good, right? Many people can and do.

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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I eliminated the rhetorical parts of the post and this was all that remained.

    So if someone can do this under minimum wage, all is good, right? Many people can and do.
    Gip, you will never, EVER meet someone who is tighter with a buck than I am. Seriously, I'm an absolute tight wad. And the reason for that is that I have been unbelievably poor. I have survived on half minimum wage.

    But I did not have a good enough quality of life to meet that definition of a living wage until I was making over 8 bucks an hour. Before that, I was sometimes going hungry or being late on rent so that I had enough money to pay for my transit to work. I didn't even have my own room, and I had things stolen several times because I couldn't afford a way to securely lock it.
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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    People can make it on minimum wage in most places if they really want to
    So does this mean you're in favor of keeping and maintaining an "appropriate" minimum wage?

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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I eliminated the rhetorical parts of the post and this was all that remained.

    So if someone can do this under minimum wage, all is good, right? Many people can and do.
    I think people are happy as long as their babies are warm, clothed, and fed. A small cushion for unplanned emergencies.

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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I've seen far too many people (that lack any sort of basic economic education) discuss some fictitious term like "liveable wage". I think it's time we let liberals define it.

    What is it, people?
    I have no problem with the concept, but I do object to those who seem to think a certain wage is an inalienable right simply because you're breathing. I would be much more agreeable to such a thing as a "living wage" if it was tied to education, ensuring that all those who feel an entitlement to a certain wage or level of wages have to attend and succeed at various levels of learning. Doesn't have to be in advanced academics - could be in the trades or other industrial endeavours - as long as it's understood that if you reach a certain level of education you can expect a certain level of intelligence and knowledge that will give you access to your level's "living wage".

    There are far too many people with no education, no marketable skills, but an abundance of the entitlement attitude genes.
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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Gip, you will never, EVER meet someone who is tighter with a buck than I am. Seriously, I'm an absolute tight wad. And the reason for that is that I have been unbelievably poor. I have survived on half minimum wage.

    But I did not have a good enough quality of life to meet that definition of a living wage until I was making over 8 bucks an hour. Before that, I was sometimes going hungry or being late on rent so that I had enough money to pay for my transit to work. I didn't even have my own room, and I had things stolen several times because I couldn't afford a way to securely lock it.
    Well, let me ask you this - did you blame anyone when you weren't making a decent wage?

    That kind of gets down to the crux of why I made this poll. Many people kicked around "liveable wage" in the Walmart thread, coming off like Walmart owed them a certain standard of living that went against economic principle.

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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Food: Healthy food that provides the proper nutritional value that one needs to live a healthy life.
    Housing: A place where all the needs of a proper shelter are meet, and a place that is safe. IE, not going to collapse on itself, no electrical problems, etc.
    Transportation: Something that gets the job done.

    It's not that hard people. Well I guess it is if you have an agenda that forces you to view poor people as greedy mouth breathers.
    Your words, not mine.

    Your definition gets even vaguer.

    Food: so now people can be told what, and how much to eat, to meet this 'nutrition' criteria?
    Housing: Already addressed by laws. If they chose to live somewhere that fails to meet those laws, then they need to report it to the housing authority.
    Transportation: Then public transportation, where available, will get the job done.

    When you want to take from one hand and give it to another, with no incentive from the second hand to do more to improve themselves, then it is easy to spend someone else's money....
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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Well, let me ask you this - did you blame anyone when you weren't making a decent wage?

    That kind of gets down to the crux of why I made this poll. Many people kicked around "liveable wage" in the Walmart thread, coming off like Walmart owed them a certain standard of living that went against economic principle.
    Nope. I got where I was through my own decisions, which I still stand by. I also had other factors in play besides the minimum wage.

    However, let me say something very clearly: most of the time I spent working at minimum wage, I was doing so in countries that have a higher minimum wage than we do. I was making, in American dollars, a bit over 8 bucks an hour.

    I have never worked the American minimum wage as an adult. And I can't imagine trying to live on it by my definition of a livable wage.

    I don't think it's right for people to be able to work full time and still not be able to have that definition of a living wage. That's super basic. Just because someone doesn't have a degree doesn't mean they shouldn't be able to live on their work. Have you forgotten how much a degree costs?

    I don't think it's too much to ask to be able to have food in a fridge in exchange for working 40 hours a week of their life.

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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    I keep seeing posts that say "minimum wage" and "full time"... How many jobs are actually "full time" that pay minimum wage? I only recall seeing "part time" jobs listed for Min wage.
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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Of course it's a living thing, it exists.

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