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  • Bunkin with 2-3 friends and take-out

    11 22.45%
  • Living alone in my own place, new car, new iphone

    7 14.29%
  • Who cares, I just want to soak the rich.

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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Depends on the place you live, a livable wage in rural Georgia will be different than a livable wage in New York.

    Though, one should be able to provide all the necessities to themselves and their family on a livable wage. Things like, shelter, food, clothes, medical care, transportation.
    This is something that should be decided by state governments or possibly county governments. I know living in Charlotte, North Carolina is a lot more expensive than Laurinburg, North Carolina. To suggest that a state government could handle this task is fare fetched. To suggest that the federal government can get a handle on determining a living wage is completely ridiculous. It is inevitable that they would come up with inequitable results. That's why we have the stereotype of food stamp recipients driving new cars. It really does happen to people living in some of the more rent friendly climates. When your rent is $400, minimum wage is luxury but the government is still required to help you because a magic number exists on paper that says you are poor. How can you argue with a piece of paper when that piece of paper is the law? The answer? You can't.

    The federal government can't determine poverty. It's just not possible.

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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Then I suggest you start a thread titled "What do you economic liberals think you're owed?"
    He pretty much did:

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I've seen far too many people (that lack any sort of basic economic education) discuss some fictitious term like "liveable wage". I think it's time we let liberals define it.

    What is it, people?

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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    This is why I phrased it by percentages and related it to consumer items. Do you think a full-time worker at Wal-mart should be able to have an iPhone or a GS4 or whatever the next big thing in the phone world is? What about a newer car? Do you think that they should be able to trade in that 2009 Chevrolet because it's getting a tad old? Should they be able to go out to Red Lobster once a week because "they deserve it"?

    People can make it on minimum wage in most places if they really want to (with obvious reflections for areas with high COL, adjusted accordingly). I'm just wondering what all you think they "deserve", because it sounds as if you're wanting the uneducated, unskilled worker to have a LOT more than the "basics".
    I don't know, all depends on how they manage their money. I have better things to think about than your characterization of poor people who want to have a living wage as greedy mouth breathers.

    A living wage is a wage where you can afford all the necessities in life, such as food, shelter, clothing, medical care, transportation. All the things that keep you alive and the things that make it possible for you to work. It is nothing less, and nothing more. Your question is flawed because you want people to argue over what consumer items people feel they need and tying it to the argument for providing a living wage. They are not the same thing.
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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Then I suggest you start a thread titled "What do you economic liberals think you're owed?"
    This is a more accurate method of determining it. Frankly, I think economic liberals will hesitate on either one, but on that poll they wouldn't dare answer truthfully because it puts them even further behind the 8 ball.

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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    The question was asked to define what a liveable wage is. Like I said, the definition doesn't allow a "set" amount to be set because everyone's "liveable" wage is different was the point I was trying to make. You can't have a set amount on liveable.

    Not sure why the hostile response to what I said, but whatever floats your boat. You seem to want to put words in my mouth as to what I was saying, and what you are saying is simple not true to what I want. Try again.
    Not 'hostile', disagreeing and then some.

    Supporting a 'livable wage', by that definition, shows no concern for how the person receiving it treats it..... just because their 'bills' are part of what it costs for them to live doesn't mean they aren't wasting what they are being 'given'.... hence my examples of heat usage, etc.

    Those that earn their wage, a real wage, have a little more concern as to where that money goes, then those who are 'given' it.
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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    He pretty much did:
    No, he "pretty much" didn't. It was a bait thread. Hardly the most egregious example of a bait thread on this forum, but a bait thread nonetheless. When you put up the title "What is a liveable wage?" but really want to argue against the validity of a liveable wage altogether, that's dishonest.

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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    I didn't really agree with any of the choices.

    I believe a living wage is a person can live comfortably by themselves with basic necessities. A roof over their head, food on the table, reliable transportation.

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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    This is a more accurate method of determining it. Frankly, I think economic liberals will hesitate on either one, but on that poll they wouldn't dare answer truthfully because it puts them even further behind the 8 ball.
    Or maybe you're not well informed about "economic liberals."

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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i think the "living wage" efforts can be unintentionally counterproductive. let's say that everybody is guaranteed $30k a year. it won't take long before that 30k is just like 12k is now, and with the inflation that it causes, everyone's savings will be worth less than half as much.

    so, now that we've established that some entry level jobs are always going to pay **** wages, what should we do? i support guaranteeing access to college regardless of financial means and increasing the opportunity for promotion out of the **** jobs. how to do the latter is complicated, but it can work. perhaps give corporations extra tax breaks for low turnover and rate of promotion within the company. what we need to happen is what happened in the mid 20th century : you start work for a company, you're loyal and hard working, and you can make it from the mail room to management. that doesn't happen nearly as often, and one can be loyal to a company for years and still get canned for no reason other than a bean counter wanted a better bonus.

    if i were organizing a union, i would ask for more opportunities for promotion, better job security, and better worker control over schedule. those are reasonable demands, and would benefit both the company and the worker.
    Your two statements are contradictory. Look at it this way... If the minimum education level is raised to "Bachelors" (30k) then it won't take long before that Bachelor's degree (30k) is just like a high school diploma (12k) is now.

    I have seen it first hand. In the Navy, there are qualifications called a Warfare Designator (Air, Surface, etc) They USED to be voluntary. They were hard to get and required a lot of effort to get ESWS or EAWS (Enlisted Surface/Air Warfare Specialist) qualified. It really broke out the professionals from the guy just getting by. A few years back, they made the qualification mandatory. Now, the norm is to see Dual or even Triple qualified Sailors. You would think "Hey, Great. They are now more highly trained." But they are not. The qualifications are now easier to get and they have no impact besides a "check in the box".

    I understand that "guaranteeing access" is different than "mandating" BUT, if we suddenly have 80% of the American populace with a Bachelors Degree, then it will not be long until the only way to get a "high level" job is to have a Master's. It is already starting to be that way, and there is no doubt in my mind that the trend will continue.
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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaGo View Post
    Not 'hostile', disagreeing and then some.

    Supporting a 'livable wage', by that definition, shows no concern for how the person receiving it treats it..... just because their 'bills' are part of what it costs for them to live doesn't mean they aren't wasting what they are being 'given'.... hence my examples of heat usage, etc.

    Those that earn their wage, a real wage, have a little more concern as to where that money goes, then those who are 'given' it.
    I "defined" a liveable wage, however, I never said we as a country can meet that definition. To truly define liveable wage would be to take a look at everyone on a case by case basis which is frankly impossible. The closest we can come to is setting a min amount and even then it's dependent on region since states, cities, and counties vary greatly.

    Is your solution to just not help anyone?

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