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  • Cold beans and a roach motel

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  • Bunkin with 2-3 friends and take-out

    11 22.45%
  • Living alone in my own place, new car, new iphone

    7 14.29%
  • Who cares, I just want to soak the rich.

    1 2.04%
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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Yep. I personally know such people. The wage a job pays is determined primarily by the range of pay that the employer has budgeted to be able to hire outside help.

    The wage that left wingers consider "living" or "livable" is based on what a given person "needs," which is determined mostly by lifestyle choices.

    The difference between a "living wage" and an actual wage is the difference between fantasy and reality.
    I use to pay contractors for installing carpet. I seen guys make $4,500 on a Friday and requested to be paid early the following Thursday because they were broke. Lots of cocaine, hookers and booze is not a requirement for living but to some people it is.

    Just because you give someone more money doesn't mean the money will be used for living expenses.

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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Liberals "want". Conservatives "do". There are avenues out there available for self-improvement. I can cheer for the person who goes down the path. I can't cheer for someone who wants to go down the path.
    You should change your lean to conservative since you have the conservative meme down pat. Any other overgenaralizations you want to make? I was a liberal when I was in the military. I DID do. Did you?

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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    You should change your lean to conservative since you have the conservative meme down pat. Any other overgenaralizations you want to make? I was a liberal when I was in the military. I DID do. Did you?
    Economic liberal, not overall liberal. I'm a social liberal.

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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    I use to pay contractors for installing carpet. I seen guys make $4,500 on a Friday and requested to be paid early the following Thursday because they were broke. Lots of cocaine, hookers and booze is not a requirement for living but to some people it is.

    Just because you give someone more money doesn't mean the money will be used for living expenses.
    Whatever it's used for isn't really the employer's business, nor should it be. As soon as you start making it employers' responsibility to pay according to the needs of the employee, that employer is going to have to start caring how their employees spend their paychecks.

    My wife and I recently had a baby. That was our personal decision and it changed what our bare minimum necessarily income would be. Should those types of decisions be any business of an employer? Of course not. The employee deserves his/her privacy and that means making decisions to work for a certain level of pay or not to do so, and keeping the employer as removed as possible from how you manage your personal finances.

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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    This is an excellent post but you miss several key points. The left needs to buy votes from those limited to only a few games for their xbox and it considers anyone with savings among the elitist rich. Taking half their savings thru taxation is off the table so just take it thru inflation.


    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i think the "living wage" efforts can be unintentionally counterproductive. let's say that everybody is guaranteed $30k a year. it won't take long before that 30k is just like 12k is now, and with the inflation that it causes, everyone's savings will be worth less than half as much.

    so, now that we've established that some entry level jobs are always going to pay **** wages, what should we do? i support guaranteeing access to college regardless of financial means and increasing the opportunity for promotion out of the **** jobs. how to do the latter is complicated, but it can work. perhaps give corporations extra tax breaks for low turnover and rate of promotion within the company. what we need to happen is what happened in the mid 20th century : you start work for a company, you're loyal and hard working, and you can make it from the mail room to management. that doesn't happen nearly as often, and one can be loyal to a company for years and still get canned for no reason other than a bean counter wanted a better bonus.

    if i were organizing a union, i would ask for more opportunities for promotion, better job security, and better worker control over schedule. those are reasonable demands, and would benefit both the company and the worker.

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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Depends on the place you live, a livable wage in rural Georgia will be different than a livable wage in New York.

    Though, one should be able to provide all the necessities to themselves and their family on a livable wage. Things like, shelter, food, clothes, medical care, transportation.
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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Depends on the place you live, a livable wage in rural Georgia will be different than a livable wage in New York.

    Though, one should be able to provide all the necessities to themselves and their family on a livable wage. Things like, shelter, food, clothes, medical care, transportation.
    This is why I phrased it by percentages and related it to consumer items. Do you think a full-time worker at Wal-mart should be able to have an iPhone or a GS4 or whatever the next big thing in the phone world is? What about a newer car? Do you think that they should be able to trade in that 2009 Chevrolet because it's getting a tad old? Should they be able to go out to Red Lobster once a week because "they deserve it"?

    People can make it on minimum wage in most places if they really want to (with obvious reflections for areas with high COL, adjusted accordingly). I'm just wondering what all you think they "deserve", because it sounds as if you're wanting the uneducated, unskilled worker to have a LOT more than the "basics".

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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Want in one hand, defecate in the other. Which one fills up faster?

    I have no sympathy for people who want to live better. It doesn't take effort to want.

    Liberals "want". Conservatives "do". There are avenues out there available for self-improvement. I can cheer for the person who goes down the path. I can't cheer for someone who wants to go down the path.
    When one side of the discussion involves what constitutes a liveable wage and the other side basically states that the very concept of "liveable wage" shouldn't even exist, then even starting a discussion titled "What is a 'liveable' wage" is inherently meaningless.

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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    When one side of the discussion involves what constitutes a liveable wage and the other side basically states that the very concept of "liveable wage" shouldn't even exist, then even starting a discussion titled "What is a 'liveable' wage" is inherently meaningless.
    No, it's completely relevant. I basically want to know what economic liberals think that they're "owed".

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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    No, it's completely relevant. I basically want to know what economic liberals think that they're "owed".
    Then I suggest you start a thread titled "What do you economic liberals think you're owed?"

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