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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    While that's certainly true (I'm agreeing with you), if you're going to say that you also have to look at where the opposite line of thinking cripples the discussion of what entails a liveable wage, such as criticizing someone making minimum wage for eating a peanut butter sandwich when they could be saving money and eating Alpo instead.

    Again, it's that whole race to the bottom thing that prevents me from happily delving into what I believe constitutes a "necessity."
    Frankly, one would think that the "race to the bottom" would spur some people into bettering themselves so that they can be a more valuable member to society and the workforce, with a paycheck to reflect that.

    We should have obvious economic deterrents for depending on a basement wage to scrape by. By just giving into them and their selfishness, laziness, and ineptitude (by clamorin for a "liveable wage"), you've disincentivized them from ever making somethin of themselves.

    As of right now, we have a system that's somewhat meritocratic. If your lofty aspirations involve eeking through a revolving-door primary school system, settling into a McJob, and living a minimum wage existence, then life should suck for you. You should wake up thinking "damn, life blows" - because that's the life you chose.

    What does it say about people who want to reward that kind of self-defeating attitude?

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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    No...I don't think a PS4 or Xbox One or an Iphone should be the measuring stick for poverty. I think for the most part getting people out of the trap where as soon as they get paid everything leaves for clothing/rent/food and they are constantly behind paying basic bills.

    To me that's poverty...eeking by where one flat tire or one of those unplanned costs out of no where means not enough to eat or getting behind on rent. The poverty trap is what I want to be eliminated. It's a nasty thing.
    Sometimes people making $100,000+ per year live in poverty. I've seen that too. A government mandated living wage won't protect those kind of individuals.

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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Unless of course you want to pay for an army of people to do evaluations on each person on a case by case basis all paid for by the taxpayers.
    I think some conservatives would like this plan. Some conservatives have a hate for the poor that exceeds their desire to see the government use money wisely.

    These false conservatives really piss me off.

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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Frankly, one would think that the "race to the bottom" would spur some people into bettering themselves so that they can be a more valuable member to society and the workforce, with a paycheck to reflect that.

    We should have obvious economic deterrents for depending on a basement wage to scrape by. By just giving into them and their selfishness, laziness, and ineptitude (by clamorin for a "liveable wage"), you've disincentivized them from ever making somethin of themselves.

    As of right now, we have a system that's somewhat meritocratic. If your lofty aspirations involve eeking through a revolving-door primary school system, settling into a McJob, and living a minimum wage existence, then life should suck for you. You should wake up thinking "damn, life blows" - because that's the life you chose.

    What does it say about people who want to reward that kind of self-defeating attitude?
    Except what you're missing is that people do actually want to live better. Okay, an example of what I would consider to be a "minimum" home situation is either a studio apartment or having roommates in a mulltibedroom apartment. Just one problem with that: even if you gave that to me I would frigging hate the hell out of living under those circumstances and would work and educate my way out of it. Which, as it happens, I've done. If my example of a minimum residence situation were hijacked into the race to the bottom, you could point out that I could be saving loads of money by living in a homeless shelter, at which point the discussion is just silly.

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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I've seen far too many people (that lack any sort of basic economic education) discuss some fictitious term like "liveable wage". I think it's time we let liberals define it.

    What is it, people?
    Is this limited to liberal's responding? If so, ignore the following:

    A living wage is what a person can achieve given their own talents and capabilities. The circumstances of ones life are to be gauged by the persons wage earning capability, not the other way around.

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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    ha ha ha That's the funniest thing in the world.

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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    Sometimes people making $100,000+ per year live in poverty. I've seen that too. A government mandated living wage won't protect those kind of individuals.
    Yep. I personally know such people. The wage a job pays is determined primarily by the range of pay that the employer has budgeted to be able to hire outside help.

    The wage that left wingers consider "living" or "livable" is based on what a given person "needs," which is determined mostly by lifestyle choices.

    The difference between a "living wage" and an actual wage is the difference between fantasy and reality.

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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Except what you're missing is that people do actually want to live better. Okay, an example of what I would consider to be a "minimum" home situation is either a studio apartment or having roommates in a mulltibedroom apartment. Just one problem with that: even if you gave that to me I would frigging hate the hell out of living under those circumstances and would work and educate my way out of it. Which, as it happens, I've done. If my example of a minimum residence situation were hijacked into the race to the bottom, you could point out that I could be saving loads of money by living in a homeless shelter, at which point the discussion is just silly.
    Want in one hand, defecate in the other. Which one fills up faster?

    I have no sympathy for people who want to live better. It doesn't take effort to want.

    Liberals "want". Conservatives "do". There are avenues out there available for self-improvement. I can cheer for the person who goes down the path. I can't cheer for someone who wants to go down the path.

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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    Sometimes people making $100,000+ per year live in poverty. I've seen that too. A government mandated living wage won't protect those kind of individuals.
    Sure. That is a result of how they spend their money though and not the cause of having a salary that can barely sustain even a basic lifestyle.
    “Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone.” John Maynard Keynes

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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaGo View Post
    So the 'cost to pay their bills without going further into debt' is defined...how?

    I go around the house snapping lights off, wear a sweater because I keep the house at 72 in the winter, and someone should be able to earn a 'living wage' (which may be more then I earn) while they leave all the lights on, take hour showers and keep the house at 75?

    That definition needs a serious revamping. No one has a right to a wage they haven't earned..... don't like what you're earning, then do something to make yourself worth more.....
    The question was asked to define what a liveable wage is. Like I said, the definition doesn't allow a "set" amount to be set because everyone's "liveable" wage is different was the point I was trying to make. You can't have a set amount on liveable.

    Not sure why the hostile response to what I said, but whatever floats your boat. You seem to want to put words in my mouth as to what I was saying, and what you are saying is simple not true to what I want. Try again.

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