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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinWillers View Post
    Both of which are why it's undefinable. But I get your meaning.
    I've always considered it a made-up term that's complete bunk. The problem is that liberals and "progressives" lately keep wanting to use that term like it's real or something.

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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I've seen far too many people (that lack any sort of basic economic education) discuss some fictitious term like "liveable wage". I think it's time we let liberals define it.

    What is it, people?
    There is no set-in-stone "liveable" wage amount, however, the definition of a liveable wage would essentially be the cost for a person to pay their bills without going into more debt.

    However, what the cost for a person to do that is different with everyone. A person's habits, bills, debt, location, age, all play into it. However, that doesn't mean we shouldn't strive to help people and like it or not, the only way to do so effectively with our population is to set a min amount. Unless of course you want to pay for an army of people to do evaluations on each person on a case by case basis all paid for by the taxpayers. I don't think you want that either.

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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I've seen far too many people (that lack any sort of basic economic education) discuss some fictitious term like "liveable wage". I think it's time we let liberals define it.

    What is it, people?
    What city (if even a city)? I'm guessing where you live you're paying a hell of a lot less than me for the same services and goods.

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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I've always considered it a made-up term that's complete bunk. The problem is that liberals and "progressives" lately keep wanting to use that term like it's real or something.
    Ahyup. It's a term that only assuages their emotions yet has zero basis in practical reality, save as an appeal to the emotions of others.
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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    i think the "living wage" efforts can be unintentionally counterproductive. let's say that everybody is guaranteed $30k a year. it won't take long before that 30k is just like 12k is now, and with the inflation that it causes, everyone's savings will be worth less than half as much.

    so, now that we've established that some entry level jobs are always going to pay **** wages, what should we do? i support guaranteeing access to college regardless of financial means and increasing the opportunity for promotion out of the **** jobs. how to do the latter is complicated, but it can work. perhaps give corporations extra tax breaks for low turnover and rate of promotion within the company. what we need to happen is what happened in the mid 20th century : you start work for a company, you're loyal and hard working, and you can make it from the mail room to management. that doesn't happen nearly as often, and one can be loyal to a company for years and still get canned for no reason other than a bean counter wanted a better bonus.

    if i were organizing a union, i would ask for more opportunities for promotion, better job security, and better worker control over schedule. those are reasonable demands, and would benefit both the company and the worker.

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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I've seen far too many people (that lack any sort of basic economic education) discuss some fictitious term like "liveable wage". I think it's time we let liberals define it.

    What is it, people?
    Let me google that for you
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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    By many standards the poor in the US live better than the middle class in many parts of the
    world.
    Simple things like hot water, electricity,and a refrigerator ect...
    In the late 70's, I knew some guys who were illegal immigrants.
    They worked hard, and all were trying to send money home.
    They shared a 2 bedroom apartment with 6 people, one married couple and 4 single guys.
    They said the apartment was nicer and bigger than where they lived in Mexico.
    Most Americans would have thought the situation was intolerable, but
    these guys thought they were living a life of luxury.
    People in the US have issues separating wants from needs.

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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    What city (if even a city)? I'm guessing where you live you're paying a hell of a lot less than me for the same services and goods.
    ...which is why I said that I didn't use static figures, but by those services and goods. A place with cheaper services and goods will pay less in wages.

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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    ...which is why I said that I didn't use static figures, but by those services and goods. A place with cheaper services and goods will pay less in wages.
    So I'm guessing then that the real question is not "what is a liveable wage" but "what should be included in the list of things that a liveable wage should be able to purchase?"

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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    So I'm guessing then that the real question is not "what is a liveable wage" but "what should be included in the list of things that a liveable wage should be able to purchase?"
    I was trying to reference it basically by percentages, like "how much over MW do you think you're owed so that it can be a liveable wage", and using that to purchase all these non-necessities with that same percentile difference.

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