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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    There is no such thing as a "living wage" or "livable wage" because wages are not determined with the employer having to give consideration given to what the person's lifestyle needs are. The lifestyle needs and choices of the applicant are frankly none of the employer's business.

    If a local grocer wants to hire one person to keep shopping carts from cluttering the parking lot and keep the icy sidewalks salted, and two interested applicants show up, a 35-year old single father of three, and a 16-year old only child who lives at home with his middle class parents…

    …what is the living wage that the job should pay?
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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    It would be someone that generally can afford rent/clothing/food and have a little left over.
    ...which translates to what, wage-wise?
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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    There is no such thing. What any one of you could live on may or may not be what I can live on and vice-versa.

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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinWillers View Post
    ...which translates to what, wage-wise?
    I avoided putting it in static wage terms because of cost of living, geography, etc. I tried to word it in relative "creature comforts".

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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    I'm not sure what you get from this. When I read this

    Here are some other percentages that run down the things that poverty-stricken Americans own. The number in parentheses is provided for comparison. That’s the percentage of Americans living above the poverty line who own the same stuff.
    ■Refrigerators: 97.8 (99.5)
    ■Clothes washers: 68.7 (88.1)
    ■Clothes dryers: 65.3 (86.6)
    ■Dishwashers: 44.9 (73.5)
    ■Food freezers: 26.2 (37.5)
    ■Stoves: 96.6 (98.9)
    ■Microwaves: 93.2 (97.4)
    So if someone rents a place with a microwave/stove/washer and dryer/fridge/freezer but has problems getting food for those things, clothing themselves etc then they are living in poverty? What exactly does poverty look like to you? Do you have to cook your food in a fire pit after curing it to make it last longer?


    As for the various amenities....a better question is...at what point do you think someone is living in poverty?

    You seem to hold some dustbowl Great Depression era view of poverty. Your not in poverty into you're living in a shack with a dust floor on the prairie barely getting by on what you can grow. Have you ever walked into a house with a TV and been like "man...this is poverty". I have.
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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinWillers View Post
    ...which translates to what, wage-wise?
    Well obviously it's not a set in stone number. Food prices change over time, rent varies by city. It would pretty much be a certain % over the poverty line which takes all that stuff in account.

    As a single guy minimum wage puts you right over the poverty line (of course not taking into account rent prices). You can make minimum wage in rural America and be alright. Not in big cities.
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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    I'm not sure what you get from this. When I read this



    So if someone rents a place with a microwave/stove/washer and dryer/fridge/freezer but has problems getting food for those things, clothing themselves etc then they are living in poverty? What exactly does poverty look like to you? Do you have to cook your food in a fire pit after curing it to make it last longer?


    As for the various amenities....a better question is...at what point do you think someone is living in poverty?

    You seem to hold some dustbowl Great Depression era view of poverty. Your not in poverty into you're living in a shack with a dust floor on the prairie barely getting by on what you can grow. Have you ever walked into a house with a TV and been like "man...this is poverty". I have.
    There are also other things definitely considered "luxuries" that people often own when living below the poverty level. I was stating that, even at that level, people don't have it quite that bad.

    Full-time minimum wage puts you right around...actually over...the poverty level - which apparently affords you quite a bit. That is the chief reasoning behind why I wonder why liberals are trying to squeeze the nuts of business for all this extra money. Are they wanting a PS4 and XBox One for every TV and an iPhone for every pocket? Is that 2011 Corrolla an embarassment now?

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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    There is no such thing. What any one of you could live on may or may not be what I can live on and vice-versa.
    The formula is simple: Living Wage = k *(1 + mu)

    Where:
    k = cost of your healthcare deductible
    mu = one's personal needs assessment factor ($1 to "Rich")
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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    There are also other things definitely considered "luxuries" that people often own when living below the poverty level. I was stating that, even at that level, people don't have it quite that bad.

    Full-time minimum wage puts you right around...actually over...the poverty level - which apparently affords you quite a bit. That is the chief reasoning behind why I wonder why liberals are trying to squeeze the nuts of business for all this extra money. Are they wanting a PS4 and XBox One for every TV and an iPhone for every pocket? Is that 2011 Corrolla an embarassment now?
    Well a large problem is the poverty line is a universal number across the country and doesn't take into account cost of living. Living in a rural area where you can rent a doublewide (or buy) cheaply is a little different than a larger city with higher rent.

    There's also the issue that not everyone receiving minimum wage is a single individual.

    No...I don't think a PS4 or Xbox One or an Iphone should be the measuring stick for poverty. I think for the most part getting people out of the trap where as soon as they get paid everything leaves for clothing/rent/food and they are constantly behind paying basic bills.

    To me that's poverty...eeking by where one flat tire or one of those unplanned costs out of no where means not enough to eat or getting behind on rent. The poverty trap is what I want to be eliminated. It's a nasty thing.
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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I avoided putting it in static wage terms because of cost of living, geography, etc. I tried to word it in relative "creature comforts".
    Both of which are why it's undefinable. But I get your meaning.
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