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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    depends on what you mean by " living "
    Breathing in and out 15-20 times a minute, heartbeat between 70 and 90 beats a minute, function without internal injuries, able to move without assistance, etc.

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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Unskilled labor gets paid an unskilled labor wage. If you are unskilled, your standard of living must meet your means. If you want a better standard of living, gain a skill and your pay will improve and your standard of living will improve.

    Even at the aforementioned McD and WalMart, if you stay with them a while and get qualified in different areas or skills, you will get a raise. Granted not a huge raise, but as you get more skill, you are compensated for that.

    If you are on a road crew and all you can do is be the Flagman.... you get paid peanuts. Get qualified to operate the heavy machinery, 'Dozer etc... you will get a sustantial raise.
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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    There is only one limitation and that is minimum wage. If your employer won't pay you as much as you want you are free to leave. Want and worth are two different things. Minimum wage is the only restriction and it does not gauge what one is worth it merely is a want by the left to give to the masses for its votes. It has zero to do with one's worth. I may want $10,000 a month and I am free to seek an employer who will pay for it - this isn't pre curtain russia where our careers are set for us and we have no freedom or choices. If I decide I am going to make no less than $10,000 a month I'm free to seek that until I get it. However I am not free to seek - say $5 an hour - even though that may be all I'm worth or even want. That freedom is taken from us.


    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    That would be lovely, but my employer won't let me be free to work for whatever salary I want. Nor will any other employer.

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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    There is only one limitation and that is minimum wage. If your employer won't pay you as much as you want you are free to leave. Want and worth are two different things. Minimum wage is the only restriction and it does not gauge what one is worth it merely is a want by the left to give to the masses for its votes. It has zero to do with one's worth. I may want $10,000 a month and I am free to seek an employer who will pay for it - this isn't pre curtain russia where our careers are set for us and we have no freedom or choices. If I decide I am going to make no less than $10,000 a month I'm free to seek that until I get it. However I am not free to seek - say $5 an hour - even though that may be all I'm worth or even want. That freedom is taken from us.

    My point was that pretty much nobody gets to choose what they make. The best they can do is try to get into a career that makes good money, hope their employer actually pays them good money, and hope their career doesn't become technologically obsolete or outsourced or otherwise vanish like smoke thru no fault of their own.

    In short, it ain't that simple bud.

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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Breathing in and out 15-20 times a minute, heartbeat between 70 and 90 beats a minute, function without internal injuries, able to move without assistance, etc.
    no liveable wage ,sweating is enough like in Auschwitz
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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Probably my biggest issue with DP is the constant hyperbole comparisons to Hitler, Stalin, the Gestapo, etc...

    For the love of all you hold dear... STOP... JUST STOP

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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinWillers View Post


    Pick one:
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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    My point was that pretty much nobody gets to choose what they make.
    Only because they have to agree with the person with money to trade in exchange for the job's tasks. It shares this feature with all other types of trades -- both parties have to agree to the terms.

    The best they can do is try to get into a career that makes good money, hope their employer actually pays them good money, and hope their career doesn't become technologically obsolete or outsourced or otherwise vanish like smoke thru no fault of their own.
    They can do more than just hope about things that are outside their control. They can actively seek out other job opportunities (continuously) to see what qualifications similar or next-step-up jobs are seeking, find ways to gain that knowledge and/or experience, and apply for more advanced jobs as they arise.

    Perhaps most importantly, they can also choose living standards that allow them to save money and/or pay down debts more rapidly, which improves their financial standing continuously.

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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Only because they have to agree with the person with money to trade in exchange for the job's tasks. It shares this feature with all other types of trades -- both parties have to agree to the terms.



    They can do more than just hope about things that are outside their control. They can actively seek out other job opportunities (continuously) to see what qualifications similar or next-step-up jobs are seeking, find ways to gain that knowledge and/or experience, and apply for more advanced jobs as they arise.

    Perhaps most importantly, they can also choose living standards that allow them to save money and/or pay down debts more rapidly, which improves their financial standing continuously.


    I know. I was addressing a broad generalization the other poster made, which sounded as if you get to choose how much you make... and my point was that no, you don't. Not in the real world.

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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Breathing in and out 15-20 times a minute, heartbeat between 70 and 90 beats a minute, function without internal injuries, able to move without assistance, etc.
    It appears that activity is now deemed worthy of gov't funded compensation by some.
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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