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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    They can spend their money on what they want, but the wage they receive should at the very least be able to provide the basics. If they don't spend their wage on that stuff, that is their choice.

    That is what a minimum wage should be.
    Minimum wage jobs were never meant to be careers for anyone, they are entry level positions period.

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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Minimum wage jobs were never meant to be careers for anyone, they are entry level positions period.
    Minimum wage isn't even entry level. Entry level implies the ability for upward movement with self-improvement, and not just retail "through the system" mobility when Agnes, who runs the electronics department, retires.

    People that are 40 and still making minimum wage have pretty much lost in life. The sad part is that they've probably decided to continue their bad lineage by having a few kids they cannot afford who will grow up and witness failure firsthand from inept, stupid parents.

    Life sucks sometimes, especially when your parents dealt you crappy hole cards from poor decisions.

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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Minimum wage isn't even entry level. Entry level implies the ability for upward movement with self-improvement, and not just retail "through the system" mobility when Agnes, who runs the electronics department, retires.

    People that are 40 and still making minimum wage have pretty much lost in life. The sad part is that they've probably decided to continue their bad lineage by having a few kids they cannot afford who will grow up and witness failure firsthand from inept, stupid parents.

    Life sucks sometimes, especially when your parents dealt you crappy hole cards from poor decisions.
    I know people at Wal-mart that started out as cashiers that are store managers now, it happens, not as often as liberals would like, but it does happen.

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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    But maximizing raw computing power for the average citizen will also increase their access to new opportunities. Right now, a big part of the problem is missing rungs in the ladder. This would help to put some of those rungs back in place.

    Education is key to intellectual curiosity and innovation. Everyone should have the opportunity to develop the mind independent of cost. If it does end up taking a degree to run a register (which will soon be entirely automated anyway) someone who has more completely achieved his or her intellectual potential has a much better shot at finding or innovating something else.
    To which I agree. I am not saying that being educated is a bad thing. We are a much better educated country than we were 20 years ago. And we are much better off for it.

    I am saying that in the end, the goal posts will continue to move. I am in the process of gaining my Master's, because of this exact issue. My BS and experience is no longer enough to promote to the lever that I desire. The goal posts have moved. Ten or twenty years ago, I would be very highly qualified for the positions I am seeking, now I am only marginally so.
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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    To which I agree. I am not saying that being educated is a bad thing. We are a much better educated country than we were 20 years ago. And we are much better off for it.

    I am saying that in the end, the goal posts will continue to move. I am in the process of gaining my Master's, because of this exact issue. My BS and experience is no longer enough to promote to the lever that I desire. The goal posts have moved. Ten or twenty years ago, I would be very highly qualified for the positions I am seeking, now I am only marginally so.

    Same here. I'm also masters level, and it has lost ground. Your point is correct, and I don't dispute that. However, imagine a country where the average level of education is masters instead of high school, and then think about all of the potential benefits of that.

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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Not that helpful. Mostly just propaganda to suggest that there are no poor here. We're a rich country and as such, much of this people have, though not as nice as it might be made out. Lord knows I spent a lot of years piece mealing those things together with junk appliances. But I had them.

    Living is largely seen what it takes to meet what it is expected in society. To have a place to live, enough food to eat, all insurances required paid, to function comfortably. Now, certainly, the tendency here is to always live above our means. But, if you can't meet what is expected, not desired, than you live in poverty.

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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    To which I agree. I am not saying that being educated is a bad thing. We are a much better educated country than we were 20 years ago. And we are much better off for it.

    I am saying that in the end, the goal posts will continue to move. I am in the process of gaining my Master's, because of this exact issue. My BS and experience is no longer enough to promote to the lever that I desire. The goal posts have moved. Ten or twenty years ago, I would be very highly qualified for the positions I am seeking, now I am only marginally so.
    This might work out well for you. There are people it doesn't always work out well for, which is often those who incur massive student loans pursuing a bachelor's degree that leaves them, as you say, only marginally more qualified. This is a terrible and probably unintended consequence of our perhaps over-promotion of higher education. The more universal higher education becomes, the less valuable it will be, and this is why those goal posts move. When people talk about opening up higher education, making it "free" or whatnot, there might be some advantages to that, but potentially severe disadvantages.

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    Same here. I'm also masters level, and it has lost ground. Your point is correct, and I don't dispute that. However, imagine a country where the average level of education is masters instead of high school, and then think about all of the potential benefits of that.
    Yeah, it's just like thinking about all the potential benefits of everyone owning their own home.*

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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Minimum wage isn't even entry level. Entry level implies the ability for upward movement with self-improvement, and not just retail "through the system" mobility when Agnes, who runs the electronics department, retires.

    People that are 40 and still making minimum wage have pretty much lost in life. The sad part is that they've probably decided to continue their bad lineage by having a few kids they cannot afford who will grow up and witness failure firsthand from inept, stupid parents.

    Life sucks sometimes, especially when your parents dealt you crappy hole cards from poor decisions.

    I've been watching your thread here since you posted it. Unless I missed something, I haven't seen anyone post a single figure. Not an hourly rate, not a gross salary. Yet, "living wage" is the battle call from the Progressive Machine.

    As your thread is proving, there is no such thing. It's just a poorly disguised call to unionize.

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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Minimum wage jobs were never meant to be careers for anyone, they are entry level positions period.
    Doesn't mean that the minimum wage shouldn't be a living wage.
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    Re: What is a "liveable wage"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Doesn't mean that the minimum wage shouldn't be a living wage.
    Yes it does mean that. You seem to be trying as hard as you can to ignore and avoid all the disadvantages of doubling the federal wage floor.

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