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    Re: Would obama make a deal with Iran to bolster himself

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    I just read almost the same thing on CNN's site after reading your post. Thanks for posting this.

    Then I can't understand why the IAEA was on television saying that the deal didn't meet their normal standards of inspection? Maybe it's that they are involved, but not at the level they normally would be?

    I don't know. I was just repeating what I heard an IAEA representative say in an interview on CNN; that's why I went to their site to see if I could find the clip. If I do, I'll post it so you can see where I was coming from.
    With regard to the bolded, I heard this morning that the IAEA access in many facilities is limited to cameras only in certain places. I can't verify that, but it sounds like a reservation I heard expressed yesterday from yet another unverifiable source. We'll see.

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    Re: Would obama make a deal with Iran to bolster himself

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    It's pretty clear since the pitfalls of his signature legislation are shinning thru, the democratic parties nuclear option on the senate, his own White House kicking the media photographers out, the pres had had a pretty lousy 15-30 days so would he make a deal with Iran just to turn the tide? Make him look all presidential again?

    Before you say no way, what did billy jeff do after being caught with Monica?
    You assume that one could just make a deal with Iran happen. What would you want us to do with Iran?
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    When billy made his deal with North Korea it was viewed as the greatest triumph for peace and made him look quite successful. 6 years later when the NKs ignored the deal there was very little fan fair or blame on billy Jeff for producing a deal that meant nothing. It's a big win for for this admin when it's needed most. If it is ignored by a radical extremist state of jihadist 4 years from now few will apply an ounce of blame upon this fool of a president. He knows this. Someone commented this has been in the works for months, and what a time to bring it to light? Compelling.


    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    No, the president has been working on this since the first day he came into office. Although leery about the deal, personally I believe it is worth the try. Leaving things as is, Iran was moving towards the bomb and would have it soon. This deal doesn't prevent that, but it may lay the framework at a later time to stop Iran just short. One does not know what will happen, either those for or against. History will have to be the final arbitrator on this deal. But since Iran was going to have the bomb sooner or latter, months to a year, I think it is worth the try, the risk, etc. We really have nothing to lose, if we do nothing and leave the sanctions on, Iran gets the bomb. If we try this and it fails to lead to a second agreement, the president will look like another Neville Chamberlain and Iran gets the bomb. But if it works, another agreement follows this one, our relationship with Iran improves and they stop short of the bomb, miracles can happen and this deal would have lead the way.


    So no, I don't think this deal was to take the public's attention off Obamacare. Even if it was, it wouldn't work. Obamacare isn't going away.

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    Re: Would obama make a deal with Iran to bolster himself

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    When billy made his deal with North Korea it was viewed as the greatest triumph for peace and made him look quite successful. 6 years later when the NKs ignored the deal there was very little fan fair or blame on billy Jeff for producing a deal that meant nothing. It's a big win for for this admin when it's needed most. If it is ignored by a radical extremist state of jihadist 4 years from now few will apply an ounce of blame upon this fool of a president. He knows this. Someone commented this has been in the works for months, and what a time to bring it to light? Compelling.
    I remember when the Yom Kippur War started in 1973, there were Democrats accusing the Nixon administration of trying to take attention away from Watergate at the time. Die hards from either side have a hard time with almost anything that happens and will accuse political motivation. Billy boys deal with NK now looks like he was taken in, but no harm came from the try. I do not think even if this deal falls through and is an utter failure, the U.S. will not be worse off. But the president won't look too good. But no one knows where this might lead, we can all have our theories but no one will know the final outcome until it happens. Personally I do not have high hopes that it will succeed, but there is hope it might. So why not, only the president will come out looking naive if it fails and we have not lost anything. But if it works, we will be far, far ahead.
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    Re: Would obama make a deal with Iran to bolster himself

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I remember when the Yom Kippur War started in 1973, there were Democrats accusing the Nixon administration of trying to take attention away from Watergate at the time. Die hards from either side have a hard time with almost anything that happens and will accuse political motivation. Billy boys deal with NK now looks like he was taken in, but no harm came from the try. I do not think even if this deal falls through and is an utter failure, the U.S. will not be worse off. But the president won't look too good. But no one knows where this might lead, we can all have our theories but no one will know the final outcome until it happens. Personally I do not have high hopes that it will succeed, but there is hope it might. So why not, only the president will come out looking naive if it fails and we have not lost anything. But if it works, we will be far, far ahead.
    The irony is that every time we have to make an important decision, we're taking a gamble on the outcome. You'd think the universe would be more kindly disposed toward us, being the imperfect creatures we are, wouldn't you? Maybe the universe has an ornery streak?

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    Re: Would obama make a deal with Iran to bolster himself

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    The irony is that every time we have to make an important decision, we're taking a gamble on the outcome. You'd think the universe would be more kindly disposed toward us, being the imperfect creatures we are, wouldn't you? Maybe the universe has an ornery streak?

    Greetings, Pero.
    Yes we are taking a gamble, but what exactly do we have to lose. If we do nothing, Iran gets the bomb. I don't have the faintest idea how this will work out. We may end up looking like fools, at least the president might and the country too to a certain extent. But if by chance, abet a slim one, this does work then everyone is much better off to include our allies in the middle east. I am not putting that much hope in it, I mean that it will work and lead to a comprehensive agreement. But I think it is better than just sitting on one's butt and let the sanctions continue which is not really accomplishing anything as Iran goes ahead with getting nuclear capabilities. We'll see, time will tell. But what is that old saying? Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
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    Re: Would obama make a deal with Iran to bolster himself

    As one with no respect for obama I agree with your assertion that those of us opposed to him will question every move - I do. However that aside will his supporters ever doubt any move like this one?


    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I remember when the Yom Kippur War started in 1973, there were Democrats accusing the Nixon administration of trying to take attention away from Watergate at the time. Die hards from either side have a hard time with almost anything that happens and will accuse political motivation. Billy boys deal with NK now looks like he was taken in, but no harm came from the try. I do not think even if this deal falls through and is an utter failure, the U.S. will not be worse off. But the president won't look too good. But no one knows where this might lead, we can all have our theories but no one will know the final outcome until it happens. Personally I do not have high hopes that it will succeed, but there is hope it might. So why not, only the president will come out looking naive if it fails and we have not lost anything. But if it works, we will be far, far ahead.

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    Re: Would obama make a deal with Iran to bolster himself

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    As one with no respect for obama I agree with your assertion that those of us opposed to him will question every move - I do. However that aside will his supporters ever doubt any move like this one?
    "Like this one?" No, not like this one, not if we believe that it's probably a good direction to be moving in.

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    Re: Would obama make a deal with Iran to bolster himself

    Iran has been projected by some in the US and Israel to be 1 year away from the bomb for 10 years. Every year some one has come out and said Iran is months away from the bomb, yet Iran does not have the bomb, and their is no evidence that Iran has enriched any uranium to the level required for building a bomb. Inspector have an inventory of Iran's uranium and none of it has has gone missing. Meaning it is all in 3-5 % or 20% concentration.

    Will the American people be idiotic again and fall for the line of this country has WMD (Iraq's case it was the full NBC) of which at the time 2002 before the invasion it had none. In Iran's case the claim it is developing nuclear weapons when the US's own intelligence reports, under Bush and Obama both state Iran has not moved to make nuclear weapons from 2003.

    Overall if the doomsayers were at all correct over the last 14 years, Iran would have had the bomb 13 years ago
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    Re: Would obama make a deal with Iran to bolster himself

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    As one with no respect for obama I agree with your assertion that those of us opposed to him will question every move - I do. However that aside will his supporters ever doubt any move like this one?
    Probably not, There is no middle ground for the die hards on either side. President Obama is where he is today because it is of his own makings. If he had listened to the people back in March of 2010, this albatross known as the ACA wouldn't be hanging from his neck. I may agree with him on this deal, but I disagree with him on the ACA.

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