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    Re: Would obama make a deal with Iran to bolster himself

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Read the White House fact sheet on Iran nuclear deal - World News

    · Halt all enrichment above 5% and dismantle the technical connections required to enrich above 5%.
    · Dilute below 5% or convert to a form not suitable for further enrichment its entire stockpile of near-20% enriched uranium before the end of the initial phase.
    · Not install additional centrifuges of any type.
    · Not install or use any next-generation centrifuges to enrich uranium.
    · Leave inoperable roughly half of installed centrifuges at Natanz and three-quarters of installed centrifuges at Fordow, so they cannot be used to enrich uranium.
    · Limit its centrifuge production to those needed to replace damaged machines, so Iran cannot use the six months to stockpile centrifuges.
    · Not construct additional enrichment facilities.
    · Not increase its stockpile of 3.5% low enriched uranium, so that the amount is not greater at the end of the six months than it is at the beginning, and any newly enriched 3.5% enriched uranium is converted into oxide.
    · Not commission the Arak reactor.
    · Not fuel the Arak reactor.
    · Halt the production of fuel for the Arak reactor.
    · No additional testing of fuel for the Arak reactor.
    · Not install any additional reactor components at Arak.
    · Not transfer fuel and heavy water to the reactor site.
    · Not construct a facility capable of reprocessing. Without reprocessing, Iran cannot separate plutonium from spent fuel.

    Etc....
    Thank you. I would of preferred something that didn't come from the white house and more... neutral? But at least it gets the basics of what it is. Honestly, I think I like it more that it's 6 months than a year or even two. And after the Israel computer virus, I'm shocked they'd allow weapon inspectors, but hey good for them. I'm willing to take a wait and see approach with it. And is it political? Of it is... but then again, what isn't?

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    Re: Would obama make a deal with Iran to bolster himself

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    At the risk of sounding uneducated... what is the outline of this "plan" All the details I've found is that the Iranians like the deal and Israel hates it which to me, not knowing the details, doesn't seem good.
    After comments and hateful rhetoric over the years by Ahmadinejad I can understand why Israel would be upset by ANY deal with Iran.

    But also don't forget, Bibi has to appease his domestic hardliners as well, he has less to lose by being hardline over the deal than accepting it within the context of Israeli domestic politics.

    All in all... I'm not an expert on what the full implications are of this deal because well it's hard to say really...

    These kinds of things are never clear in how they end and the fact so many turned their nose up instantly proves it's more to do with Obama than the deal itself...

    Maybe it'll work... maybe it won't but all I do know is that at least it's SOMETHING!

    After years of no movement at all we've finally got something and ultimately neither the Bush or Obama administrations saw value in military action because of how costly, devastating and long term implications it entailed it's not as if that was going to change anytime soon anyway.

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    Re: Would obama make a deal with Iran to bolster himself

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    It's pretty clear since the pitfalls of his signature legislation are shinning thru, the democratic parties nuclear option on the senate, his own White House kicking the media photographers out, the pres had had a pretty lousy 15-30 days so would he make a deal with Iran just to turn the tide? Make him look all presidential again?

    Before you say no way, what did billy jeff do after being caught with Monica?
    Obama would do this in a heart beat.

    Remember, he's the one (among others) that told the world's biggest lie just to get ObamaCare, excuse me, Un-Affordable-Try-And-Get-Care, sneaked past the American people on totally false pretenses (basically criminal fraud).

    Yeah, can't trust this guy as far as you can throw him. Seems that Israel and the Saudis can't trust him either. Not a reliable ally he.

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    Re: Would obama make a deal with Iran to bolster himself

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Thank you. I would of preferred something that didn't come from the white house and more... neutral? But at least it gets the basics of what it is. Honestly, I think I like it more that it's 6 months than a year or even two. And after the Israel computer virus, I'm shocked they'd allow weapon inspectors, but hey good for them. I'm willing to take a wait and see approach with it. And is it political? Of it is... but then again, what isn't?
    Well, sweet Jeebus, where do you think you're going to get the outline of the agreement to begin with??

    And yes, we could certainly walk in and upload some more fun and exciting viruses onto their computers, and of course future negotiations would be rendered fubar. I don't see how sacrificing all credibility in future deals helps us.

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    Re: Would obama make a deal with Iran to bolster himself

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    It never ceases to amaze me what level of hyper-partisanship would lead someone to conclude that it's bad for the president to do something positive because it makes him look good.

    It would really kill me if Obama, say, pushed for the return of Glass-Steagall because that might make me like him more.
    When did he do something positive?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Would obama make a deal with Iran to bolster himself

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    After comments and hateful rhetoric over the years by Ahmadinejad I can understand why Israel would be upset by ANY deal with Iran.

    But also don't forget, Bibi has to appease his domestic hardliners as well, he has less to lose by being hardline over the deal than accepting it within the context of Israeli domestic politics.

    All in all... I'm not an expert on what the full implications are of this deal because well it's hard to say really...

    These kinds of things are never clear in how they end and the fact so many turned their nose up instantly proves it's more to do with Obama than the deal itself...

    Maybe it'll work... maybe it won't but all I do know is that at least it's SOMETHING!

    After years of no movement at all we've finally got something and ultimately neither the Bush or Obama administrations saw value in military action because of how costly, devastating and long term implications it entailed it's not as if that was going to change anytime soon anyway.
    At the very least, we should get an accurate picture of what point in the process they are at. and finally be able to settle the question "how close are they to a nuke" to rest.

    That's so awesome that your avatar is Sisko.

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    Re: Would obama make a deal with Iran to bolster himself

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    When did he do something positive?
    It was under his watch that Bin Laden was killed... give him some credit for that right? Not an Obama fan, but i'll at least give him that. And he's been pretty aggressive with those drone strike in general and whacking terrorist baddies.

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    Re: Would obama make a deal with Iran to bolster himself

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    When did he do something positive?
    Everytime he pisses you off.

    That's a positive in my book.

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    Re: Would obama make a deal with Iran to bolster himself

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    It was under his watch that Bin Laden was killed... give him some credit for that right? Not an Obama fan, but i'll at least give him that. And he's been pretty aggressive with those drone strike in general and whacking terrorist baddies.
    Sure, I'll give him credit for killing UBL. He owns the debacle commonly known as Obamacare, too...yes?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Would obama make a deal with Iran to bolster himself

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    It's pretty clear since the pitfalls of his signature legislation are shinning thru, the democratic parties nuclear option on the senate, his own White House kicking the media photographers out, the pres had had a pretty lousy 15-30 days so would he make a deal with Iran just to turn the tide? Make him look all presidential again?

    Before you say no way, what did billy jeff do after being caught with Monica?
    The deal has been in the works for months before the ACA stuff.
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