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    Is it inevitable that due to rapid population growth millions of people will die?

    One of my friends recently got into a heated debate with me as to weather or not millions of people are going to have to die as a result of rapid population growth. His logic was that as resources become depleted, and demand grows, people will be forced to fight over the remaining resources and in the process will have to kill each other. I however disagreed. I stated that I understood the premise behind which this scenario would take place. However I argued the inevitability of this situation ever presenting itself. I stated that through technological and intellectual achievements we will have the potential to maintain a larger more robust population indefinitely. My logic was the following.... Today we live in a world of 7 billion people. 300 years ago we could never have hoped to maintain such a large population effectively. However due to technological and other developments we are able to. Why must this trend which has been going on since the dawn of men stop now?..... My friend went on to argue that the killing of millions of people might not be such a bad thing because it would help others survive more efficiently and allow them to have more resources. HE ARGUED THAT THE DEATH OF MILLIONS WOULD BE BETTER FOR MANKIND. To this I replied, who decides who dies and who doesn't. I also replied saying that he was out of his mind. I just want to receive reassurance that I was not the one with faulty logic because I was in a setting in which 5 people were supporting his thinking and only two other people were supporting mine. (The people who supported the person with this reasoning supported him primarily because they believe he is some freaken diety and because they don't like me)
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    Re: Is it inevitable that due to rapid population growth millions of people will die?

    How about billions (of people)?

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    Re: Is it inevitable that due to rapid population growth millions of people will die?

    Neo-malthusians need to go away. Forever.

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    Re: Is it inevitable that due to rapid population growth millions of people will die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Neo-malthusians need to go away. Forever.
    Haha, why, because their insights make you uncomfortable?

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    Re: Is it inevitable that due to rapid population growth millions of people will die?

    Quote Originally Posted by McjaqqerSwaqqer View Post
    My friend went on to argue that the killing of millions of people might not be such a bad thing because it would help others survive more efficiently and allow them to have more resources.
    It would make sense if we were locust or even sheep. But we happen to be a species that creates and develops "resources". Not coincidentally, life is just fine in densely populated Holland, and not so comfortable in near-empty Ethiopia. It is about good government, culture and infrastructures, not about how many people are there. The more, the better, as long as they behave.

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    Re: Is it inevitable that due to rapid population growth millions of people will die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    It would make sense if we were locust or even sheep. But we happen to be a species that creates and develops "resources". Not coincidentally, life is just fine in densely populated Holland, and not so comfortable in near-empty Ethiopia. It is about good government, culture and infrastructures, not about how many people are there. The more, the better, as long as they behave.
    The current state of the world's ecosystems really paints a different picture.

    The number of humans doesn't matter as much as the kind of lifestyle the humans want to live. Countries like the USA are resource hogs and can't live without their luxuries. If every human on earth lived in more realistic proportion to the annual natural bounty, we could sustain our current numbers.

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    Re: Is it inevitable that due to rapid population growth millions of people will die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Haha, why, because their insights make you uncomfortable?
    More like their insights are barbaric and ridiculous. Forced population control and advocacy of wars and diseases? You really have the balls to wear a libertarian lean under that title?
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    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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    Re: Is it inevitable that due to rapid population growth millions of people will die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    The current state of the world's ecosystems really paints a different picture.

    The number of humans doesn't matter as much as the kind of lifestyle the humans want to live. Countries like the USA are resource hogs and can't live without their luxuries. If every human on earth lived in more realistic proportion to the annual natural bounty, we could sustain our current numbers.
    Why should limit ourselves to the current numbers? When there were a hundred thousand of us, huddling in caves, the "natural bounty" could barely support our numbers - starvation and diseases were killing most of us off before the age of 25. Doing better now, at 7 billion.

    (Remind me, when those global famines were supposed to start, according to Paul Ehrlich's Population Bomb? Was it the 1970s or the 1980s?)

    The state of the world's ecosystems is exactly a reflection of our "lifestyle", but not necessarily in the way you mean. The nearly complete deforestation of New England in the 19th century had been nearly completely reversed, as Americans developed more efficient ways of doing agriculture. Meanwhile, the worst ecological damage ever was done in the places like the USSR and Maoist China - by mismanagement and idiotic megalomaniac projects - places not knows for their addiction to "luxuries".
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    Re: Is it inevitable that due to rapid population growth millions of people will die?

    When we run out of Phosphorous the world will be a radically different place. That will be our grandkids and great grandkids problem. Nothing will change until lazy people suddenly cannot get cheap, abundant food.

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    Re: Is it inevitable that due to rapid population growth millions of people will die?

    The language of 'have' is troubling and bothersome. It is that way because, for all intents and purposes, large quantities of people will likely be purged to thin our ranks. Overpopulation of human beings is a problem. While I'd rather no one get killed over it, I'm not a decision maker, but decision makers have been talking about overpopulation and population control as far back as I know to President Nixon (Richard Nixon: Special Message to the Congress on Problems of Population Growth.). The U.N. talks about it. Hell, Bill Gates is even rumored to discuss it.

    The thing is, is that the talking stage of population control will one day go into an operational phase of population control. The facts may be hard to face head-on, but the more of us around there is, the more strain it has on every vital natural service. We already know supply can't keep up with demand. People, billions of them, are going without. That's why the U.N. suggested eating bugs. And the ones that are living okay, well, our materialism is killing our environment. Something, sooner or later, is going to give, and in a big way too and a lot of us that are still young are going to endure truly horrific times because of the short-sightedness of those that came before us.

    And they said the future would be bright colors and flying cars…

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