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Thread: Is it inevitable that due to rapid population growth millions of people will die?

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    Re: Is it inevitable that due to rapid population growth millions of people will die?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    More like their insights are barbaric and ridiculous. Forced population control and advocacy of wars and diseases? You really have the balls to wear a libertarian lean under that title?
    Why can't we have voluntary population control instead? Having fewer children is already the preference of people who can access birth control and don't depend on their children to survive.

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    Re: Is it inevitable that due to rapid population growth millions of people will die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grendel View Post
    Look at current. The population explosion has not halted, but likely will in the next couple of generations.
    The remaining increase in population we are going to see in the next couple of decades will be largely because of: (a) lower mortality across the board, and (b) still significant, though decreasing rapidly, birth rates in the most underdeveloped countries. The former is a positive development by an measure, and the latter is not going to last.

    Once again, models and projections should be always taken with a lump of salt; we are talking about enormously complex systems nobody really understands. But the trend toward lower fertility and population growth deceleration in the last 50 years or so - all over the world, across ethnic, religious and cultural boundaries - is clear.

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    Re: Is it inevitable that due to rapid population growth millions of people will die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    The language of 'have' is troubling and bothersome. It is that way because, for all intents and purposes, large quantities of people will likely be purged to thin our ranks. Overpopulation of human beings is a problem. While I'd rather no one get killed over it, I'm not a decision maker, but decision makers have been talking about overpopulation and population control as far back as I know to President Nixon (Richard Nixon: Special Message to the Congress on Problems of Population Growth.). The U.N. talks about it. Hell, Bill Gates is even rumored to discuss it.

    The thing is, is that the talking stage of population control will one day go into an operational phase of population control. The facts may be hard to face head-on, but the more of us around there is, the more strain it has on every vital natural service. We already know supply can't keep up with demand. People, billions of them, are going without. That's why the U.N. suggested eating bugs. And the ones that are living okay, well, our materialism is killing our environment. Something, sooner or later, is going to give, and in a big way too and a lot of us that are still young are going to endure truly horrific times because of the short-sightedness of those that came before us.

    And they said the future would be bright colors and flying cars…
    Overpopulation is now a taboo topic among prominent politicians because it has been reframed by some activists as being racist. Also, earlier predictions of problems at our current level of population (or lower) proved to be inaccurate. However, the fact that things aren't much worse yet doesn't guarantee that unlimited population growth is going to remain benign. A disaster will need to happen before the issue is taken seriously again. I hope it won't be late at that point. I suspect humans can survive almost anything, but we may go back to something resembling the dark ages.

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    Re: Is it inevitable that due to rapid population growth millions of people will die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyhunter View Post
    Then don't have sex.
    Problem solved.
    When has that ever worked? (outside of a monastery or convent)

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    Re: Is it inevitable that due to rapid population growth millions of people will die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Why can't we have voluntary population control instead? Having fewer children is already the preference of people who can access birth control and don't depend on their children to survive.
    Because the folks who shouldn't have kids, the ones who can't afford to feed and house them, are the ones who would not stop having kids. They are the problems. The ones who have fewer kids are the ones who can afford them. It's freaken backwards.
    Islam is an antiquated religion and needs to either modernize with the times or be completely eradicated.
    There are two types of Muslims, terrorists, and their enablers. They need to fix that if they want to be part of civilized society.

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    Re: Is it inevitable that due to rapid population growth millions of people will die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    When has that ever worked? (outside of a monastery or convent)
    It's worked for me. I don't live in a monastery or a convent.
    It works for my nephews. They don't live in a monastery or a convent.
    It's called being responsible for your own actions.
    Islam is an antiquated religion and needs to either modernize with the times or be completely eradicated.
    There are two types of Muslims, terrorists, and their enablers. They need to fix that if they want to be part of civilized society.

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    Re: Is it inevitable that due to rapid population growth millions of people will die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    This is the central fallacy of the left. Resources aren't a zero-sum game. No need for such a scarcity mindset. People CREATE wealth. The more people, the more the pie grows for everyone.
    That must explain why India, with its high population density, is so affluent and pleasant.


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    Re: Is it inevitable that due to rapid population growth millions of people will die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Why would anyone seriously advocate killing to deal with overpopulation?



    Bizarre comments… yikes.
    People who oppose the use of contraceptives by default choose war/violence and/or starvation to control population.

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    Re: Is it inevitable that due to rapid population growth millions of people will die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Cockroaches do not have science, engineering and international trade.

    And I hate to break the news, but the population is not exploding - it is imploding over half of the world. The stuff you have read must be at least 30 years old.

    Places as different as Russia and Japan are facing veritable population collapse. Fertility over the replacement level is retained only in Africa and parts of Asia, but the writing on the wall is there as well: Iran has 1.67 births per woman, despite religious and cultural pressures.

    I do think and hope that this trend will be reversed at some point in future, but right now we have to worry more about things like not enough young people to support all the pensioner than about too many mouths to feed.
    The world's population is still increasing. It is only the rate of growth that has slowed down in some places.


    World population estimates from 1800 to 2100, based on "high", "medium" and "low" United Nations projections in 2010 (colored red, orange and green) and US Census Bureau historical estimates (in black). Actual recorded population figures are colored in blue. According to the highest estimate, the world population may rise to 16 billion by 2100; according to the lowest estimate, it may decline to 6 billion.

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    Re: Is it inevitable that due to rapid population growth millions of people will die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    That must explain why India, with its high population density, is so affluent and pleasant.

    Tell me this.... was India MORE OR LESS affluent 50 years ago when its population was less densely populated? 100 years ago? Etc....

    I'll answer for you. India is far, far more affluent today than at any time in recent history. So your argument falls flat on its face. There is no demonstrable link between population GROWTH and the growth of poverty.

    Just because you can point to a country with a high population and say "that country is poor" and show pictures of starving naked babies does not mean the high population is what got them there.

    In point of fact, India has been poor throughout most of recorded history. It was EVEN MORE POOR when it was less densely populated.

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