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    Re: Is it inevitable that due to rapid population growth millions of people will die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    It worked with California's huge budget deficit, why not world hunger?
    I'm pretty sure that California's budget surplus emerged from other causes.
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    Re: Is it inevitable that due to rapid population growth millions of people will die?

    With or without population growth millions of people are going to die, put they are not going to die because of population growth.

    People die every day all over this planet for various reasons and that is not likely to stop any time soon.

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    Re: Is it inevitable that due to rapid population growth millions of people will die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    When we run out of Phosphorous the world will be a radically different place.
    That will be our grandkids and great grandkids problem. Nothing will change until lazy people suddenly cannot get cheap, abundant food.



    Phosphorus is a fairly abundant mineral which we will not run out of any time soon.

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    Re: Is it inevitable that due to rapid population growth millions of people will die?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Phosphorus is a fairly abundant mineral which we will not run out of any time soon.
    The "peak phosphorus" is one of the early chicken-little favorites, historically. There was a veritable panic - and violence - when guano (seabird excrement, a good source of nitrogen as well) started running out on the Pacific coast of South America (see: Chincha Islands War).

    FDR made speeches is 1938, calling for a halt in exports of the precious commodity (fortunately, by 1938 the FDR speeches were well over their peak as hot commodity, and nobody paid much attention).

    The current estimate of phosphate rock (and those estimates always go up) is in the region of 70 billion tons - enough to last for centuries, even if the fertilizer use stays in the current mode (which involves huge amounts of waste) and the population keeps growing at the rates of the previous century - and neither is even a possibility. And we are talking only about the immediately useful apatite-rich stuff. Phosphorus as such is an element that doesn't disappear - it is perfectly recyclable.

    I guess, some countries may begin worrying at some point that 85% of the world's phosphate rock is located in just three places: China, Morocco, and USA. Well, be nice to us.

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    Re: Is it inevitable that due to rapid population growth millions of people will die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    The current state of the world's ecosystems really paints a different picture.

    The number of humans doesn't matter as much as the kind of lifestyle the humans want to live. Countries like the USA are resource hogs and can't live without their luxuries. If every human on earth lived in more realistic proportion to the annual natural bounty, we could sustain our current numbers.
    This is the central fallacy of the left. Resources aren't a zero-sum game. No need for such a scarcity mindset. People CREATE wealth. The more people, the more the pie grows for everyone.

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    Re: Is it inevitable that due to rapid population growth millions of people will die?

    Quote Originally Posted by McjaqqerSwaqqer View Post
    Why must this trend which has been going on since the dawn of men stop now?.....
    It hasn't been going on since the dawn if mankind. Flat growth has dominated mankinds history. Each technological breakthrough we've had that's led to more efficient extraction of resources has led to rapid growth before hitting a ceiling and collapsing.

    The industrial revolution has been unique in that no ceiling has been hit yet, and while we may not he bacteria in a Petri dish, we're still not omniscient enough to know what will present the next ceiling and avoid it. You'd have to be a betting man to predict unstoppable/exponential growth.

    Your Malthusian friends solution is pretty stupid though.

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    Re: Is it inevitable that due to rapid population growth millions of people will die?

    Quote Originally Posted by McjaqqerSwaqqer View Post
    One of my friends recently got into a heated debate with me as to weather or not millions of people are going to have to die as a result of rapid population growth. His logic was that as resources become depleted, and demand grows, people will be forced to fight over the remaining resources and in the process will have to kill each other. I however disagreed. I stated that I understood the premise behind which this scenario would take place. However I argued the inevitability of this situation ever presenting itself. I stated that through technological and intellectual achievements we will have the potential to maintain a larger more robust population indefinitely. My logic was the following.... Today we live in a world of 7 billion people. 300 years ago we could never have hoped to maintain such a large population effectively. However due to technological and other developments we are able to. Why must this trend which has been going on since the dawn of men stop now?..... My friend went on to argue that the killing of millions of people might not be such a bad thing because it would help others survive more efficiently and allow them to have more resources. HE ARGUED THAT THE DEATH OF MILLIONS WOULD BE BETTER FOR MANKIND. To this I replied, who decides who dies and who doesn't. I also replied saying that he was out of his mind. I just want to receive reassurance that I was not the one with faulty logic because I was in a setting in which 5 people were supporting his thinking and only two other people were supporting mine. (The people who supported the person with this reasoning supported him primarily because they believe he is some freaken diety and because they don't like me)
    The current trends we are seeing seem to be in line with the UN's global population predictions. (United Nations News Centre - World population projected to reach 9.6 billion by 2050 – UN report) (The end of global population growth may be almost here — and a lot sooner than the UN thinks | AEIdeas)
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    Re: Is it inevitable that due to rapid population growth millions of people will die?

    I don't think overpopulation will lead to a mass extinction of man but it sure will ,effect his quality of life.

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    Re: Is it inevitable that due to rapid population growth millions of people will die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    Maybe we could make a holiday out of it where one day each year it is perfectly legal to murder everyone who has professed that the planet is "overpopulated".
    Wow, talk about not being able to deal with reality.

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    Re: Is it inevitable that due to rapid population growth millions of people will die?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Wow, talk about not being able to deal with reality.
    Do you deny that this holiday would instantly lower the population?

    After all isn't population your big concern?

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