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    Re: Did Oswald kill Kennedy

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Who? When? We have eyewitnesses seeing a man on the sixth floor with a rifle, witnesses to Oswald owning that rifle, and a witness who gave him a ride to work that morning and remarked at the package Oswald was carrying ('curtain rods', he was told.

    Yet for all of the cameras and movie cameras at Dealey Plaza that day, there's not a single image or photo of anybody at the 'Grassy knoll'. All of the credible, eye witness reports say the shots came from above and behind the motorcade.

    However, I think I'm done with this. Conspiracy theorists believe whatever the hell they want to, and nothing ever changes their minds.
    It's in the Warren Report. It doesn't mean that there actually was a shooter on the grassy knoll, it just means that about 50 witnesses testified to the commission that they heard a bang or saw smoke coming from that direction.

    It was chaotic, people get confused.

    Now let me talk to you about the moon landing....

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    Re: Did Oswald kill Kennedy

    The thing I've never understood about conspiracy theories regarding the Kennedy Assasination is this:

    If it was a conspiracy, it was a great one. It has maintained its integrity for 50 years, with no serious challenge to it. Ergo, these conspirators were pretty smart cookies. Brilliant, even.

    They were so brilliant, as Vincent Bugalosi points out, that they had Oswald shoot Kennedy and then wander around the streets of Dallas for an hour or so before finally getting himself arrested and falling into the hands of the police.

    Lets face it, if Oswald had really been the fall guy for the Mob, or the CIA, they would have had a car waiting for him somewhere close and he would have been taken to the nearest lake, outfitted with cement shoes, and never been seen again.
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    Re: Did Oswald kill Kennedy

    Quote Originally Posted by USViking View Post
    Killing a President was not a Federal crime so LHO could not have been prosecuted on Federal charges. Nor had the state of Texas yet charged him- LHO was never charged with killing anyone other than Officer Tippet.
    You saying this law was not in place in 1963 after 3 President's had already been murdered an there was an attempt on Truman.

    18 USC 1751 - Presidential and Presidential staff assassination, kidnapping, and assault; penalties

    (a) Whoever kills

    (1) any individual who is the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice President, or, if there is no Vice President, the officer next in the order of succession to the Office of the President of the United States, the Vice President-elect, or any person who is acting as President under the Constitution and laws of the United States...

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    Re: Did Oswald kill Kennedy

    My father was a conspiracy theorist...like most people of the time who closely followed the confusing and mysterious course of events that followed the JFK Assassination. He had a whole shelf of books by conspiracy theorists, and I guess growing up hearing some of the talk about the Assassination and looking in to a few of books, sparked a casual interest in the subject for me.

    For me, the JFK Assassination has grown too complicated and confusing to make definitive conclusions...even with some of the new material that has been declassified in recent years. That is actually the biggest argument against the status quo concept that everything happened like the Warren Commission reported. The claim that it couldn't possibly be a conspiracy theory because it would be too complex and hard to manage begins to fall apart when you consider that there are thousands of pages of reports and data hiding in plain sight, and there is no consensus on what actually did happen that day in Dallas. The Lone Gunman supporters make different claims about the forensic evidence, and so do the conspiracy theorists who believe Oswald either was not the assassin, or one of a number of assassins hired for the job. There are a number of mysterious deaths of witnesses or people who claimed to know something. A prominent reporter of the time - Dorothy Kilgallan, for some reason decided to take an overdose of barbituates and kill herself a day or two after announcing on network TV that she was able to interview Oswald's assassin - Jack Ruby. That was likely the main reason why my mother is a conspiracy theorist also!

    After listening to some of the coverage on the 50th anniversary, one thing that becomes clear is that there are many different groups with motive and the capacity to assassinate the President. Kennedy had more enemies than the Mafia...or Castro....or the Cuban emigres who thought Kennedy would have to give in and use U.S. troops to support the Bay of Pigs Invasion...or the Soviets...or even the CIA.

    A couple of factoids that I heard recently that I wasn't aware of before, is that Kennedy threatened to either abolish or reduce the depletion tax allowances given to oil companies for wellhead production. This is the greatest tax giveaway in history, and is rarely mentioned; but back 50 years ago, when Kennedy was looking at a ballooning deficit, he was considering slashing that depreciation allowance as part of his efforts to balance the budget. Yet I have never heard the Texas oilmen or their affiliates mentioned whenever motives for killing the president are discussed!

    Or, what about the major banks which make up the Federal Reserve System? Another point I wasn't aware of before was that Kennedy was the first president since Lincoln to have the Federal Government issue its own currency....a plan that was quickly scrapped after his untimely death. The currency management system works by the Federal Government allowing the majors to use their powers of fractional reserve banking to create new money out of thin air as debt obligations, and collect the interest payments from the Federal Government. Kennedy...like Lincoln, asked 'why not create our own money, instead of buying it from the banks and paying them interest on that money?' A government-backed currency could have removed the Federal Reserve entirely as an institution, and that would provide America's most powerful bankers with a motive to kill the president!

    So, there are so many groups who would have had a motive, just trying to trace it back to the source would be extremely difficult. If oil company tycoons or major bank executives thought of hatching a plot to kill the president, it's an obvious fact that they would not have their fingerprints directly on the murder weapon! They would see what their influence in government and try to enlist any number of secondary sources to do the job. So, if a plot involved anti-Castro Cubans, the Mafia or the KGB as are so often mentioned...most recently by John Kerry, they might be acting on behalf of more powerful interests who wanted a change in government.

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    Re: Did Oswald kill Kennedy

    801. Assassination of J.F.K. (11/25/2013)

    Yesterday I posted a comment about JFK’s death in Yahoo news. Several minutes later, my comment disappeared from the news comment. I put it here.

    You all fall into the trap the mastermind set up for you. Oswald, Johnson, Mafia, Castro….. Did they have ability to organize such a big plot? Think bigger. It is an organization that controls Secret Service, media, lawmakers, police force. That’s why after 50 years, people are still lose in dense fog.

    1. Warren Commission was used to cover up the plot. Just like 911 commission used to cover up the truth of 911 attack.


    2. Kill Kennedy family members to prevent them to re-gain political power to start a real investigation of J.F.K.’s death.

    Robert Kennedy was assassinated when he joined the president campaign. Edward Kennedy suffered a scandal attack and had to drop the president campaign.

    I also allege Kennedy’s wife Jacqueline Kennedy and his son John Fitzgerald Kennedy, Jr. were murdered because they had great political influence. I believe their death had connection to my story.

    In early 1990s when I was still very innocent about US political system and believed it was a democratic society, I complained to a lot of people that I had become a murder target of the Feds. Then the Feds had a message to me: “So what, they (the Feds) even killed President Kennedy.” (see “17. They killed President Kennedy”) The intimidation hadn’t stopped my complaint but added “they killed President Kennedy” to the story.

    As the Feds intensified the persecution, I left US twice. Each time Kennedy family lost an important member.

    1. I left for China in 1994. Jacqueline died after I planned the China trip. I started to suspect it might relate to the intimidation from the Feds. It was too coincident.

    2. Next time it was 1999 when I went to Hong Kong and planned to drift into South East Asia. I learned the death of Jr. Kennedy. It convinced my allegation – the Feds worry that I would reveal their crime of murdering President Kennedy, in abroad they were not able to control the media as they did in domestic US. To prevent a possible reaction from Kennedy family, they kill the main figures of the family in advance.


    Edward Kennedy and Jacqueline Kennedy died of cancer. In my description, there were many murdering method through slow poison. The victim targeted were fed to sick gradually, when the time coming they only need to increase the dose to make the death like a natural one.

    Jr. Kennedy was too young to die in this way. So he died in an accident. Long time ago when I started to learn something about the E.M. sleep wave, I had read such a news. Air Force lost a plane in a train. The commander center lost its trace. Sometime later, they found the wreckage in a far, far away mountain area. Apparently, the plane exhausted all its fuel and crashed there. Since the pilot was a black man. I thought it was a test to use sleep wave instrument as a weapon. When the pilot felt sleepy, he opened auto pilot instrument. He took a nod, hoping it could help him to overcome the sleepy but could never wake up. The sleeping wave was irresistible – to my experience. If you are driving a car, you may park your car at roadside before you go to sleep, but you can’t park a plane in the air.

    I think Jr. Kennedy died in a similar murder plot.

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    Re: Did Oswald kill Kennedy

    It had to be someone else - and more than one person. I think many were involved.

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    Re: Did Oswald kill Kennedy

    Where New JFK Evidence Points



    By Jim DiEugenio

    Global Research, November 20, 2013

    After Oswald returned from Russia – receiving surprisingly little trouble despite his defection – he became friendly with the White Russian community in the Dallas/Fort Worth area. He then went to New Orleans in the summer of 1963. Numerous witnesses had testified to seeing him with former FBI agent Guy Banister or at Banister’s office at 544 Camp Street.

    Where New JFK Evidence Points | Global Research
    It reminds me of Tarmalan Tsarnayev. Both were used to infiltrate the Russian society (or Chechenya rebels.) When they were exposed (both rejected by Russian intelligence) they became scapegoats to take responsibility of the plot. Both have to die to keep the secret of their relationship to the US intelligence.

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    Re: Did Oswald kill Kennedy

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I'm shocked no one has posted this since yesterday was the 50th anniversary of the Kennedy assassination.



    Who do you think killed Kennedy?

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    Re: Did Oswald kill Kennedy

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Who do you think killed Kennedy?
    Honestly, I think Oswald did it. I used to buy in to the conspiracy theory until I moved to Dallas. I live, as a matter of fact, walking distance to the site Kennedy was shot and so I've seen it many times - seen the grassy knoll, the book depository, etc.

    When you watch Oliver Stone's movie "JFK," the way the camera work is done it really looks like that window in the book depository high up and a long way off, ie it looks like it would take a real marksman to pull off the shooting. When you're actually there in person, you see that the location is perfect for what it was, that Oswald easily could have gotten off 3 accurate shots from there. The building is remarkably close. It would have been a turkey shoot.

    What's crazy to me is that they allowed the motorcade to go through such a tight bend, that they allowed Kennedy to be in an open top convertible, and that they didn't block off nearby buildings like the book depository. I just have to chalk it up to being a more naive period in history, that a president hadn't been murdered since Lincoln, and to really shoddy work by the secret service on that day.

    Stranger things have happened.

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    Re: Did Oswald kill Kennedy

    The number of "things that don't add up" are too numerous to list. I don't know if Oswald killed or helped kill Kennedy but I feel confident he did not act alone. I also feel confident that the government intentionally covered up the entire matter. It doesn't look like the fatal projectile could have come from above/behind him, there is photographic evidence of his scalp appearing surgically manipulated, and on and on.

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