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    Re: Learn english first

    Quote Originally Posted by azgreg View Post
    This is a poll?
    Is it not?

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    Re: Learn english first

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    What language was it?
    She spoke samolian.

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    Re: Learn english first

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Sounds as if taking a course in conversational or workplace Spanish will be very helpful to you.
    I see an assumption being made that the worker being discussed was not from China, Russia, India or France.
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    Re: Learn english first

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    I think that you have a very valid point. How dumb is your boss? Obviously it is important that employees can understand their supervisors and coworkers, not only for following simple instructions but for understanding safety and communicating any dangers or hazards observed. I worked on a construction (framing) job and we were instructed not to use finger jointed studs for erecting our temporary scaffolding, but the non-English speaking crew did that anyway and severely injured two workers when the scaffolding (built with finger jointed lumber) collapsed.
    Because the mortality rate of Hispanic construction workers was so much higher than other workers', ten+ years ago forward-thinking companies began offering bilingual safety training. I think this is essential. Whatever one's opinion on "English first," this is a matter of workplace safety. And too many folks eager to work are going to say, "Si, comprendo!" when they actually don't.

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    Re: Learn english first

    A private employer should be able to deny employment for any damn reason he or she wants.

    This is just another.

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    Re: Learn english first

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    A private employer should be able to deny employment for any damn reason he or she wants.

    This is just another.
    I agree here. But this is a pretty good reason. Im just wondering if anybody thinks employers shouldnt be able to deny employment for this reason.

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    Re: Learn english first

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Very good

    (unless you need to give the mimes instructions in which case....)
    Telling a mime what to do is like telling a camel how to shake his humps.

    (Supposed to be an actual quote from Marcel Marceau, but I cannot find a reference, in either language).

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    Re: Learn english first

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Because the mortality rate of Hispanic construction workers was so much higher than other workers', ten+ years ago forward-thinking companies began offering bilingual safety training. I think this is essential. Whatever one's opinion on "English first," this is a matter of workplace safety. And too many folks eager to work are going to say, "Si, comprendo!" when they actually don't.
    That may be wonderful for those that speak Spanish, but of little value for those speaking various other languages. The best bet is to have one language common among all workers on a crew.
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    Re: Learn english first

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil_Osophy View Post
    So.... i have a question. Should employers have the right to refuse employment because someone cant speak english?
    I believe they should.

    I lived in El Paso for 6 years, and it always bothered me when I would go to a local store (and I am talking a major department store chain), and have cashiers who could not speak English. My belief is that if you are going to work here, you need to be able to speak the language.

    And before anybody even tries to accuse me of discrimination, you have to realize that my wife shares the same beliefs. And she was not born in the US. She moved here when she was 17, and when we first met I could barely understand her. In the years since we first met, she has become perfectly fluent in English (to the point where most are surprised to learn she was born in South America), and she finds it offensive when people who live here do not even try to learn the native language.
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    Re: Learn english first

    You have the right to refuse employment based on language, you need employees to be able to communicate with each other and communicate with potential customers. You could take the Quebec approach and require a certain language be spoken in certain businesses. Being bilingual does help especially here in Canada.

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