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    Re: Learn english first

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil_Osophy View Post
    So.... i have a question. Should employers have the right to refuse employment because someone cant speak english?

    Disclaimer: this is not about any specific "race" or language. Just about legal immigrants who cant speak english.

    So, at work today i got really frustrated trying to communicate with someone who didnt speak very much english. Only a tiny bit. Not nearly enough to hold a conversation.
    Im a leader in the workplace, so from time to time i have to ask someone to do something or for information. Its really hard to communicate with a person who cant speak english. I asked this person to not throw out the damaged products of the particular job we were doing because i have to keep count and record of them. This person didnt have a clue what i was asking and continued to throw out the damaged products.

    Long story short, it made my job a lot harder and a thought hit my head; why are people who cant speak english even hired in the first place? How did this person make it through the process and interview with such little grasp on the language?

    I think that employers should be allowed to deny employment to those who cant speak english. Im not saying they shouldnt be allowed to hire them, but i think they deserve a choice in this matter. What do you think?
    they can deny them here and probably can there too, but because of the employees language gap they probably get them on the cheap

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    Re: Learn english first

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Our grammar rules are more vague guidelines...

    Seriously though, the English language IS one of the most convoluted on the planet - when it comes to following rules, we don't.

    This is possibly in part because we gleefully take words from any language if they strike our fancy, and for that matter, make up new words out of thin air.


    Edit: Hell, English is my native language, and I probably only know 75% at most of the words/rules.
    Well said. It wasn't until I started learning another language that I realized just how poorly our language is structured. Not only are the rules arcane and often fungible, but it seems there's exceptions for every rule. It's as if our language was designed to be just as impossible to navigate as our federal government.

    The only other language I know right now (and then not well enough to be truly conversational) is Tagalog. It's got its own quirks, but its rules are so easy. If one pronounces a word, even a poor Tagalog speaker like myself almost immediately knows how to spell it just from how it's pronounced. There are no equivalents to 'he', 'she', 'his', or 'hers' - it's all gender-neutral unless one is referring specifically to a person or a group of same-gender persons. The structure of the sentences reminds one of how Yoda sometimes spoke: the word order of "Malakas ka na" is directly translated to "Powerful you have become".

    It's really interesting, learning a different language, learning to think in different ways, seeing what's similar, what's radically different. I think second languages should be required of all our K-12 students, the earlier the better.
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    Re: Learn english first

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Yes - I feel that management is just inviting trouble when they hire people who *CANNOT communicate clearly* - and that even includes some 'Native English' speaking individuals who are just poor communicators.
    We ran into that exact same problem when I was at Hughes Aerospace in the early 1990's. We were hiring techs by the score for a major computer upgrade project, all temps sent from agencies based upon their claimed skills. And our minimum contract for these techs was at least 2 weeks unless they were shown to not have the skills as advertised.

    One guy who we got was from central LA. And while his technical skills were excellent, he could not talk "normal English", but Eubonics. Even our supervisor (who was Black) tried to tell him that he had to speak more standard English or we could not put him in the field, but he resisted every attempt, saying that it was "racism". Needless to say we kept him in the warehouse for the 2 weeks required, then ended his contract.

    When you work in a professional Corporate environment, "I be doin' this" is not acceptable. Especially for somebody born and raised in the US.
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    Re: Learn english first

    Every immigrant should be required to take and pass an English language course...
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    I have pooped in public, even in public neighborhoods.
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    Usually a gag for wise mouthed insulting little girls. Then some good nylon rope so I can tie them up, toss them in the trunk of my car and forget about them.

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    Re: Learn english first

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    When you work in a professional Corporate environment, "I be doin' this" is not acceptable. Especially for somebody born and raised in the US.
    I hear dat, homey G.
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    Re: Learn english first

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I hear dat, homey G.
    Many of us have our own little dialects, from where we are from, to what we have done.

    In the Marines, I earned the nickname of "Corporal Mother-F" (I think you can fill in the rest). This is because I was one of the foulest speaking individuals in my platoon, swearing constantly.

    However, I did not speak that way all the time, and it shocked my wife the first time she walked up behind me at base and heard how I talked there. But I always knew what was appropriate where, and when. I can also speak in other "dialects", from LA Street and even Alabama-Southern.

    But I do not use any of these at work, instead keeping to proper English, because that is what is expected of me (although if I am on the phone with our techs from Alabama for long enough, I will find myself slipping back into a drawl without even realizing it).
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    Re: Learn english first

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil_Osophy View Post
    Update: two new somali workers started today on my team. Their english is very decent. Looks like i got some translators
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    Re: Learn english first

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Every immigrant should be required to take and pass an English language course...
    I had to take and pass a German language test in order to stay in Germany, and I'm married to a German. It's just common sense.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    It should depend on the nature of the job, based on whether communicating in English is essential or not.
    I guess you'd have a point if that worker never has to communicate with a colleague or superior. Maybe someone who sits in an isolated box and never talks to anybody. Any situation other than that, they need to be able to communicate with their coworkers.
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    Re: Learn english first

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I had to take and pass a German language test in order to stay in Germany, and I'm married to a German. It's just common sense.
    America is one of the few (if there are even any others) countries that bends over back wards to appease foreigners. English, luckily, is a pretty universal language but when I have been in France, Italy, Vietnam, China, Hong Kong, Mexico, etc. I try to speak the language when possible, or have an interpreter. If I moved there I would certainly learn the local language.
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    I have pooped in public, even in public neighborhoods.
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    Usually a gag for wise mouthed insulting little girls. Then some good nylon rope so I can tie them up, toss them in the trunk of my car and forget about them.

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    Re: Learn english first

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    America is one of the few (if there are even any others) countries that bends over back wards to appease foreigners. English, luckily, is a pretty universal language but when I have been in France, Italy, Vietnam, China, Hong Kong, Mexico, etc. I try to speak the language when possible, or have an interpreter. If I moved there I would certainly learn the local language.
    That's because you're not a lazy asshole.
    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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