Edit: I mean I've seen everything from sick kids, to medical issues (migrane headaches), to spousal issues (loss of job, divorce), to problem employees (chatting too much, disorganized, lazy, doesn't attend meetings or answer emails, late to work, stressed out, makes or does strange things) to heck if I know. It's flipping refreshing when you have an employee that doesn't cause issues in one way or another.
Last edited by brothern; 11-25-13 at 01:19 PM.
Many people don't try, plain and simple. Mastering a language is VERY hard, but learning the basic syntax with a basic vocabulary is quite easy and can be done very quickly.
"If I take death into my life, acknowledge it, and face it squarely, I will free myself from the anxiety of death and the pettiness of life - and only then will I be free to become myself." ~ Martin Heidegger
But when I wrote the original post, the one you are reacting to, my dismay was that I felt the children were being diminished in opportunity because the parents were failing to prepare them to become effective in their primary language of the land and thus condemning them to a lower set of opportunities. I've noticed that Asians tend to speak English to their children and Asians seem to be the most successful group of New Americans. From this, I extrapolated an opinion that was apparently incorrect and I have no problem admitting that I am wrong.
Sorry for this one last push at anecdotal evidence but my son was born in Korea to my (then) Korean wife. Because I was an absent Father, working, working, working to get my export business going, I rarely spoke to my child (I am ashamed of this and have apologized to him and supported him fully through his adult career because I screwed up and I know it). Well, when we returned to America when he was 5, we had to spend thousands of dollars sending him to speech therapy because his early use of Korean had shaped his mouth and had made certain words/sounds hard for him to pronounce. So, I was under the impression that it was harmful to maintain another language as a child. Apparently, my personal experience was somewhat unique and most children become readily bi-lingual without these speech problems. Good. I'd rather be wrong than right about this.
Furthermore, everyone is a problem person to someone else, or under certain conditions.
Again, pros/cons. Struggle with English, but make it up in productivity...why is that so hard to understand?If the persons situation is counter productive to the business, they are gone. Period. Why does the manager need to spend extra time dealing with problem employees? That costs the company money and productivity.
I don't mean to say only people that trigger that get fired, only that it's the most common non-productivity related cause for me to fire someone. I can see how that could be interpreted the other way.It seems like you will work around a persons problems unless they rub you the wrong way, and then they are gone. Why not work around your emotional problems?
I'm simply pointing out that struggling with English as a second language is not in and of itself, under average circumstances, a reasonable cause for firing someone. You can, but I would think most people have a fair number of dings on their work ability, and it's expected that they make up for those in other areas, and are net-productive for the company.
I see people all the time with the white-American attitude that if someone doesn't speak English they are lazy assholes. I tend to take "can't speak good English" with a grain of salt. And what industry?...in technology, if you can't handle bad Asian accents you're in the wrong business
There are times when communication is so bad they cannot do their job despite efforts to communicate and work-around. In those cases, you fire them because they cannot perform their job adequately. The speaking bad English isn't why you fire them specifically, if that makes sense. Of course if it's your business, do what you will!
The fact that the person does not understand English is the problem.
I think the trick is to not hire problem people in the first place. I do not think if the person speaks another language is any problem at all if it doesn't affect their job performance.
If, when defending your support for Donald Trump, and your response is,
"But but but... HILLARY!!!", then you lost the argument before you even began.
My complaint wasnt that she wasnt an english professor. Its that she cant understand the most basic sentences.
And yes i made misrakes spelling the names of foreign countries.
And yes i failed to properly capitalize things. Im on my phone and its easier to just type without capitalizing and punctuating everything. Quite frankly, i dont give a ****.
I can still communicate effectively.