View Poll Results: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Yes, I remember this also and L.A. was even earlier in the restaurant bans. OTOH, the law allows for owner operated bars with no employees to allow smoking thereby giving those owners a real advantage. So, you know, everything is a tradeoff.
    Only until 1998., Then the complete ban in all bars and restaurants went into effect.

    One I remember going to often was Louisiana Hots, in Palmdale. One of the local hotspots, their Friday Karaoke was hugely popular, and seeing somebody come in like Jamie Jones (All-4-One), Noah Hathaway (Boxy, Atrayu) and Afroman were regular occurrences on Friday night. But when the ban went into effect, the business basically crashed. They tried to put in outside smoking areas, but the county said each was in violation of some kind of ordinance, so eventually you would go there and see 100 people in the parking lot, but nobody inside.

    A year later they closed their doors. I talked to the owner right before that happened, and he said the 100% smoking ban killed him. And several other places I went to suffered the same fate. In most of California other ordinances restrict or prohibit outside seating which allow smoking, so the only choice is to leave the business. The most recent prohibits smoking within 20 feet of a door or window, which outlawed most of the patios which allowed smoking, since I have never seen one 20 feet from a doorway.
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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    The basis of most of this legislation had to do with the employees, not the customers so much. As a smoker (I used to smoke in theaters, airplanes and department stores believe it or not), I've watched the noose tighten. My initial reaction was anger but I've come around to accepting these restrictions.

    But place like NYC that make it a point to make smokers suffer and allow no exceptions - are just jerks to me. Everything needs some balnc.

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    Now that I discovered E-Cigs, I smoke in all these places again. Ha-ha!!!

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    There are many things not left to owners. Bathrooms, fire alarms, minimum wages etc. In many cases, this may be for the best although it does feel like an imposition.
    True, but last I checked, employees aren't forced to work in any particular establishment. They have as much a choice as the owners of the establishment.

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Smokers have the right to suck it in, but exhaling that crap is another story.
    Call for a country-wide ban on the internal combustion engine and then sing me that song...

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Now that I discovered E-Cigs, I smoke in all these places again. Ha-ha!!!
    Good thing you do not live in New jersey - they treat them legally just like cigarettes.

    And just a few months ago a bill to do the same thing in California almost made it to a vote in the State Legislature (it was shelved because they knew they did not have the votes). But it will be reintroduced next year, and it is already expected to pass when it does.

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    The basis of most of this legislation had to do with the employees, not the customers so much. As a smoker (I used to smoke in theaters, airplanes and department stores believe it or not), I've watched the noose tighten. My initial reaction was anger but I've come around to accepting these restrictions.

    But place like NYC that make it a point to make smokers suffer and allow no exceptions - are just jerks to me. Everything needs some balnc.

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    Now that I discovered E-Cigs, I smoke in all these places again. Ha-ha!!!

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    There are many things not left to owners. Bathrooms, fire alarms, minimum wages etc. In many cases, this may be for the best although it does feel like an imposition.
    True, but last I checked, employees aren't forced to work in any particular establishment. They have as much a choice as the owners of the establishment.

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Well to be fair, the animals were never in the cooking areas and many restaurants didn't allow them inside; but they could chill on the patio or something outside.
    So can the smokers.
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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    True, but last I checked, employees aren't forced to work in any particular establishment. They have as much a choice as the owners of the establishment.
    Yeah, can't say I like that argument much. Like it or not, secondhand smoke has been deemed a workplace hazard. I wouldn't endorse leaving that hazard in place and just saying, well, you don't have to work there. However, there is standard equipment to deal with that hazard so it won't affect employees any more than say, working around grease fryers.

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Most states have blanket bans against smoking in all bars and restaurants. No exceptions. As a result, you often see smokers huddled in small groups outside partaking in cigarettes.

    I am not, and have never been, a smoker but to me this in inherently unfair. IMO, the state should set aside special permits for a small percentage of bars and restaurants where smoking be allowed. To pick a number, I would say 10% to 15% of bars and restaurants should be allowed to have smoking inside. Have them post a large sign at each entrance notifying potentials customers, so everyone is fully informed and able to make their own choice. No one needs to go in and act surprised.

    I don't see the need to make them age-restricted to 18+ or 21+, but I could live with that compromise.

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    I voted for lift all bans. Other than a good cigar from time to time, I don't smoke.

    If a bar owner wants to allow smoking that should be his or her business. If clientele and/or staff don't like it, they are free to go elsewhere. It's about personal choice. The bar owner and employees are paying a crapload of local, state and federal taxes. That's enough. Let them run their business, set their own smoking rules and be done with it.










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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    Smoking, whether it is allowed or prohibited should be left to the determination of the individual owner of the establishment.

    It's his property and the government, hell, no one has the right to dictate what is and isn't allowed.
    I'm certainly inclined to agree with you. If the owner so chooses to allow smoking in his establishment and hangs a shingle outside making it very clear smoking is allowed then those who don't wish to be around the smoke need not enter. Same with an owner that wants a smoke free establishment. Those who smoke need not bitch about it but move on to a place that allows it. These laws get passed at the state level where the self-righteous decide what is best for everyone. They just can't let people make their own choices and take responsibility for them. They are the same ones that vote yes on the increase of every sin tax that comes down the pike too. With the way government is encroaching now on determining what a person can eat, I'm looking for governments to start taxing the fat. Maybe then some folks will wake up and see the light.

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    Only until 1998., Then the complete ban in all bars and restaurants went into effect.

    One I remember going to often was Louisiana Hots, in Palmdale. One of the local hotspots, their Friday Karaoke was hugely popular, and seeing somebody come in like Jamie Jones (All-4-One), Noah Hathaway (Boxy, Atrayu) and Afroman were regular occurrences on Friday night. But when the ban went into effect, the business basically crashed. They tried to put in outside smoking areas, but the county said each was in violation of some kind of ordinance, so eventually you would go there and see 100 people in the parking lot, but nobody inside.

    A year later they closed their doors. I talked to the owner right before that happened, and he said the 100% smoking ban killed him. And several other places I went to suffered the same fate. In most of California other ordinances restrict or prohibit outside seating which allow smoking, so the only choice is to leave the business. The most recent prohibits smoking within 20 feet of a door or window, which outlawed most of the patios which allowed smoking, since I have never seen one 20 feet from a doorway.
    Once smoking bans went into effect bars became "family friendly". Many good, REAL, bars have been ruined since families began bringing their children because the environment is smoke free.










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