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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    We did exempt Casinos because the edginess of smoking is integral to their function. Twice, we had Casinos that were smoke-free and they quickly closed their doors. But inside the Casino, the restaurants are strictly NON-SMOKING.
    There have been many attempts in the past to create "smoke free businesses", and invariably they all fail. This only works when you have a nanny government that forces them all to stop smoking.

    I always hated the idea of the Government saying when a business could not allow a legal activity. And if the commercials we heard were true, that "80% of people prefer smoke free establishments", then establishments would have been created and thrived that catered to that 80%.

    However, I remember that when California instituted the ban in 1998, a lot of bars ended up closing their doors. Everybody was outside in the parking lot with their friends, instead of inside buying their product. And membership in the VFW and American Legion soared when those who were eligible realized that as a private club, they could allow smoking if the chose (and they all did). I frequently had friends ask if I could take them to one of the posts, because we could relax, have a few drinks and smoke with nobody bothering us.
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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Shouldn't this really be a decision that the owner or owners of an establishment be allowed to make for themselves?
    The basis of most of this legislation had to do with the employees, not the customers so much. As a smoker (I used to smoke in theaters, airplanes and department stores believe it or not), I've watched the noose tighten. My initial reaction was anger but I've come around to accepting these restrictions.

    But place like NYC that make it a point to make smokers suffer and allow no exceptions - are just jerks to me. Everything needs some balnc.

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    Now that I discovered E-Cigs, I smoke in all these places again. Ha-ha!!!

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    There are many things not left to owners. Bathrooms, fire alarms, minimum wages etc. In many cases, this may be for the best although it does feel like an imposition.

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    There have been many attempts in the past to create "smoke free businesses", and invariably they all fail. This only works when you have a nanny government that forces them all to stop smoking.

    I always hated the idea of the Government saying when a business could not allow a legal activity. And if the commercials we heard were true, that "80% of people prefer smoke free establishments", then establishments would have been created and thrived that catered to that 80%.

    However, I remember that when California instituted the ban in 1998, a lot of bars ended up closing their doors. Everybody was outside in the parking lot with their friends, instead of inside buying their product. And membership in the VFW and American Legion soared when those who were eligible realized that as a private club, they could allow smoking if the chose (and they all did). I frequently had friends ask if I could take them to one of the posts, because we could relax, have a few drinks and smoke with nobody bothering us.
    Yes, I remember this also and L.A. was even earlier in the restaurant bans. OTOH, the law allows for owner operated bars with no employees to allow smoking thereby giving those owners a real advantage. So, you know, everything is a tradeoff.

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Once again, an excuse that doesn't fly. You could have easily headed down the road. Takes many days to starve believe me. And if you're good with the "government" taking care of things for you that you could easily do for yourself, well, there are deeper problems going on. You're way too old to need a nanny.
    OK. As for why we didn't "head down the road," well, again - on a road trip with kids in the car. You take what you get.

    We aren't ever going to agree on this, so have a fabulous evening.

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    I don't think smoking should be allowed in any establishment where the public or workers are expected to breathe. Sorry, I was an idiot who smoked for 35 years and now has a smoking related illness. I am not sympathetic to anyone who thinks they have a right to smoke any place they want. Everyone does have the right to expect a smoke free environment.

    If you smoke, do yourself, family, friends and co-workers a favor and STOP. You'll eventually learn to enjoy a cup of coffee or a beer without that poison. If you fail, try it again and again and again until you succeed.

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Smoking, whether it is allowed or prohibited should be left to the determination of the individual owner of the establishment.

    It's his property and the government, hell, no one has the right to dictate what is and isn't allowed.

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I don't think smoking should be allowed in any establishment where the public or workers are expected to breathe. Sorry, I was an idiot who smoked for 35 years and now has a smoking related illness. I am not sympathetic to anyone who thinks they have a right to smoke any place they want. Everyone does have the right to expect a smoke free environment.

    If you smoke, do yourself, family, friends and co-workers a favor and STOP. You'll eventually learn to enjoy a cup of coffee or a beer without that poison. If you fail, try it again and again and again until you succeed.

    /rant
    No greater crusader is there against a smoker's freedom than that of an ex smoker...

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    No greater crusader is there against a smoker's freedom than that of an ex smoker...
    Smokers have the right to suck it in, but exhaling that crap is another story.


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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    OK. As for why we didn't "head down the road," well, again - on a road trip with kids in the car. You take what you get.

    We aren't ever going to agree on this, so have a fabulous evening.
    Heh, I understand, I remember being told by a car full of youngsters how they would soon expire if not fed immediately, wrong tack to take with me, that guaranteed we wouldn't eat until I settled on a place.

    I know we won't agree, which is interesting because I always chose non-smoking restaurants over the smoking allowed ones even before the ordinance. The issue isn't my personal preference but how much I think government should be allowed to hold our hands.

    The same to you!

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Most states have blanket bans against smoking in all bars and restaurants. No exceptions. As a result, you often see smokers huddled in small groups outside partaking in cigarettes.

    I am not, and have never been, a smoker but to me this in inherently unfair. IMO, the state should set aside special permits for a small percentage of bars and restaurants where smoking be allowed. To pick a number, I would say 10% to 15% of bars and restaurants should be allowed to have smoking inside. Have them post a large sign at each entrance notifying potentials customers, so everyone is fully informed and able to make their own choice. No one needs to go in and act surprised.

    I don't see the need to make them age-restricted to 18+ or 21+, but I could live with that compromise.

    What think you?
    I used to be a smoker. I am for keeping smoking out of restaurants and bars.I am against exposing workers to 2nd hand smoke just because the business owner thinks it will make him or her a few extra bucks. That said I would be for making it legal to smoke in bars and restaurants as long as the owner/proprietor is the only one allowed to bring smokers their food and drink and there should be severe fines and possible loss of business for violating this.
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