View Poll Results: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's not public health, it's private property. You make the choice. Just because you don't like how some people exercise their freedom doesn't mean you have the justification to force the change. Let your consumerism win out the day. Don't go to establishments that allow smoking. Done. But to prevent legal activities on private property because you can't be bothered to research or consume intelligently? That's not valid excuse for government force against the free exercise of rights.
    The government has every right to regulate the safety of business'. Just like they have the right to come in and make sure that the kitchen is up to code, that they are operating in a safe clean way, they have the right to prevent people from smoking in public establishments. You can live in your libertarian fantasy land all you want, but that doesn't make it a good idea. Allowing smoking in a closed space, like a restaurant or bar, is just wrong, period. The government is in the right to use it's power to stop this in the name of public health.
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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Smoking is legal. If you want to change it, go make it illegal. Till then it's the property owner's decision. You have no right to someone's property and labor, you can go somewhere else. Workers can work somewhere else, or as pointed out earlier, establishments can install proper ventilation and air circulation to clean the smoke up.
    Actually, luckily for us, it's not the property owner's decision. Thank God. I'd hate to know I went into a restaurant to eat and had to choke down smoke with my steak. Besides, smoking makes places stink.

    I know this. I smoked for years.

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I find it interesting that those vehemently against are so rigid that they are unwilling to allow even a small 10% of establishments that cater to people who are unlike themselves. This is exactly the kind of attitude that I find incredibly selfish.

    Also, restaurant and bar jobs are a dime a dozen. Employees can make the same choices as customers. Most smoking employees would quit their job so they could work at a place that allows smoking, thus creating opening for non-smoking employees at non-smoking restaurants. It would even out.
    Exactly, nanny state us all into submission because their holier-than-thou attitude doesn't allow for freedom and choice.
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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    It provides an unsafe work environment for their workers.

    Smoking is ridiculously unhealthy and it is okay for the government to limit the harm.
    And once again that harm doesn't exist with the proper equipment.

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Actually, luckily for us, it's not the property owner's decision. Thank God. I'd hate to know I went into a restaurant to eat and had to choke down smoke with my steak. Besides, smoking makes places stink.

    I know this. I smoked for years.
    You don't have to go into that restaurant. How is this a tough concept to understand? You made the choice. Go cook your own steak, go find a restaurant that doesn't allow smoking through their own choice. Trying to **** on everyone's parade because you got it in your head that you're better than everyone and they have to listen to you.
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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    But aren't you treading on ours, by forcing us to inhale your smoke? Why can't you just stand outside? Or better yet, wait til your meal is over?
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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    If a small percentage of establishments allow smoking, then smokers are essentially confined together and away from non-smokers. Smokers get a relative few places for them, non-smokers still get every place else for them. Seriously, what is the issue with this?
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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    And once again that harm doesn't exist with the proper equipment.
    They will continually skip over this point because their arguments aren't actually about public safety, it's about personal choice and choices made they don't like.
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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I find it interesting that those vehemently against are so rigid that they are unwilling to allow even a small 10% of establishments that cater to people who are unlike themselves.
    I wouldn't object to this. I mean a hookah bar obviously should allow smoking. I thought you meant like all restaurants - like I shouldn't have to walk into a Golden Corral and be hit by a wave second hand smoke.

    Then again bars need limits. We once had a DUI crash that we responded to. Guy got in his car, drove into the street, flipped the car into a ditch on the other side of the road. Hey, whatever I guess. Dude walked back into the bar....we tried going into that bar but there was so much damn smoke we literally couldn't breathe. We wore respirators to get him out. Tanks like we'd wear into a structure fire. So bars do need limits of some kind.

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You don't have to go into that restaurant. How is this a tough concept to understand? You made the choice. Go cook your own steak, go find a restaurant that doesn't allow smoking through their own choice. Trying to **** on everyone's parade because you got it in your head that you're better than everyone and they have to listen to you.
    You don't have to light up a nasty ass cigarette, either. Do the entire restaurant a favor and wait 30 freaking minutes to smoke, how about it? Or just get up and walk outside? How hard is that to do? You want the entire restaurant to cater to your whim by smelling your smoke.

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