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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I'm just wondering where this care of the children ends. Strip clubs, taking your kids there too?
    There are none in this area, however, no they shouldnt go there. What does this have to do with this discussion though? Nowhere did it say bars only, it said bars and restaurants.

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amandi View Post
    There are none in this area, however, no they shouldnt go there. What does this have to do with this discussion though? Nowhere did it say bars only, it said bars and restaurants.
    Well if it's all about the children, then adult businesses should be allowed to have smoking, yes?

    No where did it say bars only, but you Lovejoy'd so now we're exploring the limits of your emotional argument.
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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Well if it's all about the children, then adult businesses should be allowed to have smoking, yes?

    No where did it say bars only, but you Lovejoy'd so now we're exploring the limits of your emotional argument.
    Then say so. I dont play games. No children allowed bars, I could comprimise on. I am not going to try to write the law here though. Voting for or against the law would be a case by case basis.

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amandi View Post
    Then say so. I dont play games. No children allowed bars, I could comprimise on. I am not going to try to write the law here though. Voting for or against the law would be a case by case basis.
    You are playing games, you're playing the "OHHHHH won't someone PLEASE think of the CHILDREN" game. It's an emotional argument to elicit an emotional response that has nothing to do with the basis of government force against the free exercise of rights that you endorse against your fellow "freeman".
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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You are playing games, you're playing the "OHHHHH won't someone PLEASE think of the CHILDREN" game. It's an emotional argument to elicit an emotional response that has nothing to do with the basis of government force against the free exercise of rights that you endorse against your fellow "freeman".
    It's only a game to those who don't agree. Those that think similar to me, we are serious about it.

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amandi View Post
    And I know my motivation is to help other people, especially the children (see, I played the children card).
    And how exactly are you helping them instead of just imposing a view on someone else's property? As always there are some exceptions. Restricting smoking in buildings and facilities that cater specificity to children is reasonable. The current laws that restrict smoking in cars with children is reasonable. Outside of that, then it's not the business that is the problem in exposing children to second hand smoke, it's the parent that chooses to take their child into a second hand smoke environment.

    Quote Originally Posted by Amandi View Post
    What church you go to doesnt affect others around you. What foods you eat dont affect others around you. You shouldnt be allowed to make a decision that affects those around you.
    Bloomberg would seem to disagree with you, among others. After all, one's poor eating is driving up health care costs, so I hear. Sadly, much of what we do, even those that we allow by law and by morals, affect many around us, for positive or negative. Affecting another as a criteria simply isn't enough of a reason to allow or ban an activity or decision.

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amandi View Post
    What church you go to doesnt affect others around you. What foods you eat dont affect others around you. You shouldnt be allowed to make a decision that affects those around you.
    What church you go to can certainly have an effect on the others around you. What foods you eat does too. If you eat bad foods and need medical treatment due to weight related issues many times tax payers have to pick that up. Just as one example. Me smoking in a restaurant only effects you if you decide to put yourself into that situation. Also I am not saying everyone should be allowed to smoke anywhere, I am saying that if I own a restaurant it should be my choice to allow to ban smoking at my discretion. If the general public has a problem with my choice my business will suffer. People, consumers should be making those decisions, not the federal government trying to decide what is best for us.

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Most states have blanket bans against smoking in all bars and restaurants. No exceptions. As a result, you often see smokers huddled in small groups outside partaking in cigarettes.

    I am not, and have never been, a smoker but to me this in inherently unfair. IMO, the state should set aside special permits for a small percentage of bars and restaurants where smoking be allowed. To pick a number, I would say 10% to 15% of bars and restaurants should be allowed to have smoking inside. Have them post a large sign at each entrance notifying potentials customers, so everyone is fully informed and able to make their own choice. No one needs to go in and act surprised.

    I don't see the need to make them age-restricted to 18+ or 21+, but I could live with that compromise.

    What think you?
    Big Government at its inglorious best. The ban basically killed the pub scene over here. I was surprised that the government wilfully implemented measures that would rob them of considerable revenue. Prior to this travesty, non-smokers clearly weren't so concerned that it dissuaded them from frequenting licensed establishments. With any luck, a more enlightened administration will rescind the legislation. At the very least, such a move should have followed a referendum.

    Prohibition sucks ****.

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amandi View Post
    It's only a game to those who don't agree. Those that think similar to me, we are serious about it.
    Oh I know the crusaders are serious about subjugating people to their desires and whims through the use of government guns. It's just absurd mini-Despotism. But it requires these emotional games. Such as your Lovejoy argument. Of course the actual answer to that is that it's the parents job to watch over their kid and not the rest of society. As such if you do not want your kid exposed to second hand smoke you could simply avoid the businesses that allow it. Again, no government force, just intelligent consumerism. But that takes effort and some would rather just hold a gun to someone's head and force their whims upon the populace.
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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    Big Government at its inglorious best. The ban basically killed the pub scene over here. I was surprised that the government wilfully implemented measures that would rob them of considerable revenue. Prior to this travesty, non-smokers clearly weren't so concerned that it dissuaded them from frequenting licensed establishments. With any luck, a more enlightened administration will rescind the legislation. At the very least, such a move should have followed a referendum.

    Prohibition sucks ****.
    Smoking ban hasn't killed bars/restaurants/bowling alleys/etc here in the US.

    What will hurt bars is if they lower the legal blood alcohol level for driving to .05 from .08... I haven't seen any studies to show that there are a lot of accidents caused by people with BAC between .05 and .08 ; until I see those, I disagree with lowering it.

    Back to topic - "private" businesses use public roads, public police forces, public airwaves for advertising, public clean water, etc. When they apply for a license, they need to follow the guidelines. I think no smoking is a reasonable guideline. Before the laws were passed, there weren't any non-smoking restaurants; I had no choice. Now I can go to restaurants and not worry about getting cancer or having my clothes reek. Some of you think that is an unreasonable restriction on a business; I don't.

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