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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Dude, ruin your body. I really don't care. Don't ruin mine with second hand smoke. Don't make my clothes smell like ****, then when I leave I have to get in my car that soaks in all that ****ty smell too. I don't want that disgusting unhealthy smoke around me for a second. In your office or at home smoke the hell away. Good on any smoker that does.
    In my business or anything thing else I own. I have the responsibility to inform you that smoking is allowed in my place of business, be you a potential patron or a potential employee. The moment that you chose to enter into that business either knowing that or ignoring the posting informing you of the smoking, you are as responsible as a person who smokes directly. If you choose to enter into an area of second hand smoke your complaints become invalid. No one forces you into those areas.

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Those of you saying businesses should choose whether or not to allow smokers are missing a lot here.

    For example - what about bowling alleys? Generally, there aren't a lot of them around, so I'm forced to go to the one near me. If it allowed smoking, I'd be stuck smelling it.

    Even restaurants - Maybe where you all live you have lots of choices, I don't. But before smoking was banned, all restaurants allowed it; they felt at a business disadvantage if they didn't allow it (my guess heavy drinkers - spenders - tend to also smoke, just a guess). So it's not like I could say "Mexican restaurant A allows smoking, Mexican restaurant B doesn't"- they all allowed it before. And in my small town, with even more limited choices, I'd be up the creek without a paddle, no choice of non-smoking restaurant.

    Those of you who say "if you don't want to work there find another job" - easier said than done.

    Having smoking banned in public places puts them all on an even footing. Businesses who wanted to ban it but didn't dare now don't have to worry about possibly being at a competitive disadvantage. Plus, the owners aren't stuck inhaling that crap.

    Those of you who smoke - great. Do it someplace where your smoke doesn't get in my face.

    I still remember as a kid going to grocery stores with my mom - and she'd be smoking IN THE GROCERY STORE. Ugh how gross, I think now... then it was normal.

    Things are getting better; fewer places with cigarette smoke is a good thing.
    Open up your own store or bowling alley then. Jeez, this sense of entitlement is getting out of control. You have no right to another's property or labor. That's it. End of story.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    A businessman has a duty to provide a safe workplace for his employees. That includes not being unnecessarily exposed to addictive cancer agents.
    This is about the best the argument can come to, and they already make air circulatory systems that can handle it.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    In my business or anything thing else I own. I have the responsibility to inform you that smoking is allowed in my place of business, be you a potential patron or a potential employee. The moment that you chose to enter into that business either knowing that or ignoring the posting informing you of the smoking, you are as responsible as a person who smokes directly. If you choose to enter into an area of second hand smoke your complaints become invalid. No one forces you into those areas.
    I agree... depending on the business. If you are a bank, restaurant or Best Buy or something, then I say no you don't have that right. If you are some company that deals with other businesses or businessmen then you are free to since they may take their business elsewhere.
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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    This is about the best the argument can come to, and they already make air circulatory systems that can handle it.
    And this is why I could support altering the bans. If a company has a way to keep the smoke contained then I think it might be ok. Still have to think more about the employees more though. I think some reasonable answer is out there though.

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I agree... depending on the business. If you are a bank, restaurant or Best Buy or something, then I say no you don't have that right. If you are some company that deals with other businesses or businessmen then you are free to since they may take their business elsewhere.
    I disagree. It doesn't matter if it is a bank or restaurant or retail operation. Private property, owner's choice. Now if said bank or retail store is leasing the property and the property owner doesn't allow smoking, they can't over ride that. After all it's not their property.

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    I disagree. It doesn't matter if it is a bank or restaurant or retail operation. Private property, owner's choice. Now if said bank or retail store is leasing the property and the property owner doesn't allow smoking, they can't over ride that. After all it's not their property.
    That's fine. We disagree. I would rather default to business owners rights over government mandates when all is said and done though... except at sporting events. People lighting up when I was competing was just about the most disrespectful thing ever. Those people should be dropped into the ocean with a bucket of chum and left for three hours.
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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    That's fine. We disagree. I would rather default to business owners rights over government mandates when all is said and done though... except at sporting events. People lighting up when I was competing was just about the most disrespectful thing ever. Those people should be dropped into the ocean with a bucket of chum and left for three hours.
    The one thing we'll probably agree on is the disgustingness of smoking. With sporting events, about the only restriction I'd go with is the immediate vicinity of the playing area.

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Open up your own store or bowling alley then. Jeez, this sense of entitlement is getting out of control. You have no right to another's property or labor. That's it. End of story.
    Seriously? So I need to start my own bank, my own grocery store, my own restaurants, my own clothing store, my own shoe store, my own medical clinic, my own hospital, my own basketball arena...

    seriously? that makes no sense.

    Banning smoking in public places doesn't take away anyone's property.

    Thank goodness we live in a time where more people agree with me than with you.

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Seriously? So I need to start my own bank, my own grocery store, my own restaurants, my own clothing store, my own shoe store, my own medical clinic, my own hospital, my own basketball arena...

    seriously? that makes no sense.

    Banning smoking in public places doesn't take away anyone's property.

    Thank goodness we live in a time where more people agree with me than with you.
    You are free to do any of those things with your property. And just because more people "agree" with you, doesn't mean you're right. Many freedom crushing movements were run by a "majority".
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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