View Poll Results: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    You keep forgetting employees.....

    It is other peoples business. You can't control your smoke.

    Go outside. Win-win. Period.

    Have you ever cleaned the windows inside a smokers automobile?
    Have you seen the disgusting yellow-brown buildup that collects on the windows over time?

    That's the crap non-smokers don't want to deal with.

    You don't have the right to infect everything around you with caustic and dangerous residue. Not to mention quite stinky residue.
    If the employees don't like it - then quit.

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    What???????

    The one's who are acting like their entitled to something are the smokers.
    Absolutely not. The militant nonsmokers wish to impose their will over the rights of property owner to mandate which legal activities are allowed. It's not your property and it's not your business, but you will assume ownership of it in order to get your way instead of engaging in informed consumerism to affect change.

    You have no right to other people's property or labor.
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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    So what positive health effects does bungee jumping have?
    Not sure. Perhaps confidence? Feeling alive? Challenging yourself to over come fear? I have never doe it but I have done various extreme sports. I will bet that nobody dies due to second hand bungee jumping though.
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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Personally I find it troubling that people believe that they have a right to control other peoples lives to this extent just because they don't like the smell of cigarettes or think that they will get lung cancer due to second hand smoke because of the studies they hear about. Never realizing that those studies were done on people who are mostly chain smokers themselves or lived with chain smokers along with working in a smoking establishment.
    Actually, generally those surveys are stacked in the first place.

    Generally they are part of a survey taken by anybody with cancer or a lung ailment. My wife had to answer one both times she had cancer (thyroid, then ovarian-uterine).

    The first time she said no, because I did not smoke. The second time she said yes, because I smoked.

    Now is there a link between second hand smoke and uterine cancer? Not that I am aware of, but we both know that she became a "second hand smoke" statistic. And a friend of mine died of emphysema a few years ago, she never smoked or hung out with smokers. Even the doctor said it was likely caused by living her entire life in LA in the 1950's through 1980's, when it had among the worst smog in the world.

    Do I believe the smoke is safe and harmless, no. But do I believe it is some kind of stalking killer where one whiff from 10 meters away will give somebody cancer? No, no more then smelling pot from that distance will make somebody high.
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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    People seem to really hate freedom. They seem to hate how people exercise their choices and feel they need to make others conform to their ideals so that their daily convenience isn't interrupted. It's kinda sick if you ask me.
    Just stirring the pot here..

    So in your opinion, people should not have the freedom to go to a restaurant without putting their health at risk? Businesses should decide that for them? If they wish to not have their health put at risk, they should be forced to find a new job/eat somewhere else?

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by ElectricWizard View Post
    Just stirring the pot here..

    So in your opinion, people should not have the freedom to go to a restaurant without putting their health at risk? Businesses should decide that for them? If they wish to not have their health put at risk, they should be forced to find a new job/eat somewhere else?
    You have no right to another man's property or labor. Since smoking is currently legal it would be up to the business owner to allow or disallow legal activities upon the property. You a an individual can make the choice to utilize the business or not. You have choice, property owner has choice, others have choice. Through intelligent consumerism you can influence your local businesses. No government necessary.
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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You have no right to another man's property or labor. Since smoking is currently legal it would be up to the business owner to allow or disallow legal activities upon the property. You a an individual can make the choice to utilize the business or not. You have choice, property owner has choice, others have choice. Through intelligent consumerism you can influence your local businesses. No government necessary.

    Those of you saying businesses should choose whether or not to allow smokers are missing a lot here.

    For example - what about bowling alleys? Generally, there aren't a lot of them around, so I'm forced to go to the one near me. If it allowed smoking, I'd be stuck smelling it.

    Even restaurants - Maybe where you all live you have lots of choices, I don't. But before smoking was banned, all restaurants allowed it; they felt at a business disadvantage if they didn't allow it (my guess heavy drinkers - spenders - tend to also smoke, just a guess). So it's not like I could say "Mexican restaurant A allows smoking, Mexican restaurant B doesn't"- they all allowed it before. And in my small town, with even more limited choices, I'd be up the creek without a paddle, no choice of non-smoking restaurant.

    Those of you who say "if you don't want to work there find another job" - easier said than done.

    Having smoking banned in public places puts them all on an even footing. Businesses who wanted to ban it but didn't dare now don't have to worry about possibly being at a competitive disadvantage. Plus, the owners aren't stuck inhaling that crap.

    Those of you who smoke - great. Do it someplace where your smoke doesn't get in my face.

    I still remember as a kid going to grocery stores with my mom - and she'd be smoking IN THE GROCERY STORE. Ugh how gross, I think now... then it was normal.

    Things are getting better; fewer places with cigarette smoke is a good thing.

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    A businessman has a duty to provide a safe workplace for his employees. That includes not being unnecessarily exposed to addictive cancer agents.
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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    From a businessman's view do they really want to allow smoking and lose the non-smoking customers?
    Right here is the key and the ironic part is that you are providing support for the position opposite from what you hold.

    If the businessman doesn't want to allow smoking then he doesn't have to!!!!!! How hard a concept is that? Likewise, if the businessman is willing to risk the loss of the non-smokers, why shouldn't he be allowed to do so? Do you think that we are arguing to force businesses to allow smoking?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    What???????

    The one's who are acting like their entitled to something are the smokers.
    What is it that you think that the smokers are acting like they are entitled to?

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    Not sure. Perhaps confidence? Feeling alive? Challenging yourself to over come fear? I have never doe it but I have done various extreme sports. I will bet that nobody dies due to second hand bungee jumping though.
    Except for maybe the guy who got his foot caught in the coil because he wasn't looking where he was going when the jumper leaped. Yeah I know extreme potential. Point is that there doesn't need to be a positive health effect for something to be allowed and for that matter, as long as they know what they are getting into there can be a negative health effect. It's not up to you to tell me I can't ruin my body.

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    Except for maybe the guy who got his foot caught in the coil because he wasn't looking where he was going when the jumper leaped. Yeah I know extreme potential. Point is that there doesn't need to be a positive health effect for something to be allowed and for that matter, as long as they know what they are getting into there can be a negative health effect. It's not up to you to tell me I can't ruin my body.
    Dude, ruin your body. I really don't care. Don't ruin mine with second hand smoke. Don't make my clothes smell like ****, then when I leave I have to get in my car that soaks in all that ****ty smell too. I don't want that disgusting unhealthy smoke around me for a second. In your office or at home smoke the hell away. Good on any smoker that does.
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