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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    What people do in their privately-owned business is no one's business but theirs and their customers.

    If I want my bar to have smoking, it is NONE OF THE GOVERNMENT'S BUSINESS.

    If patrons want no smoking, then don't come into my (theoretical) bar...simple.

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    I'd also support laws where smokers could be pulled over and fined for smoking inside their own cars if there's a child or children inside the car at the same time. I hate seeing a child in a car seat while the driver is smoking. I could easily be convinced that's child abuse.
    I'm willing to go with this because children don't have to choice of whether or not to get in the car with a smoker. It's a completely different principle from entering into a building where you know smoking occurs. With that said let me restate my position that I do support a requirement that a prominent sign be posted that states smoking is allowed in an establishment.

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    What people do in their privately-owned business is no one's business but theirs and their customers.

    If I want my bar to have smoking, it is NONE OF THE GOVERNMENT'S BUSINESS.

    If patrons want no smoking, then don't come into my (theoretical) bar...simple.
    If people want to smoke...go the F outside. Problem solved for all.

    There's no rational "need" for smoking.

    People don't have to smoke to survive, or work, or be productive, or squat.

    It's not about the government either....it's about health, well being, and respect for people who don't smoke and don't want to be exposed to smoke.

    I say this as someone who once smoked, and quit.

    No matter how you slice it - smoking is an offensive, and unhealthy habit.

    Take it outside. Everybody wins that way.

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    If people want to smoke...go the F outside. Problem solved for all.

    There's no rational "need" for smoking.

    People don't have to smoke to survive, or work, or be productive, or squat.

    It's not about the government either....it's about health, well being, and respect for people who don't smoke and don't want to be exposed to smoke.

    I say this as someone who once smoked, and quit.

    No matter how you slice it - smoking is an offensive, and unhealthy habit.

    Take it outside. Everybody wins that way.
    There is no 'rational need' for TONS of things people do.

    If I want to smoke in a bar and the owner/other patrons don't mind...then it is no one else's business.

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    There is no 'rational need' for TONS of things people do.

    If I want to smoke in a bar and the owner/other patrons don't mind...then it is no one else's business.
    As a patron I do mind. It really doesn't have anything to do with the smokers health but rather the stink of it. I don't want to eat out of an ashtray.

    Too much attention as been on the dangers of smoking and second hand smoking . The smell of a burning cigarette is what really makes people angry.

    From a businessman's view do they really want to allow smoking and lose the non-smoking customers?

    People are simply going to have to learn how to go one hour while eating without smoking a cig. As the number of smokers continue to decrease there is no way the law is going to change.

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post


    This has nothing to do with the OP. I'm willing to bet that you can't stand smokers that smoke in places where it's not banned.
    It's an additional comment, yes, I see you can read.

    And you're right, but I don't complain about them since they aren't breaking any rules for the sake of their habits.

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    If I want my bar to have smoking, it is NONE OF THE GOVERNMENT'S BUSINESS.

    If patrons want no smoking, then don't come into my (theoretical) bar...simple.
    Fair enough.
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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    There is no 'rational need' for TONS of things people do.

    If I want to smoke in a bar and the owner/other patrons don't mind...then it is no one else's business.
    You keep forgetting employees.....

    It is other peoples business. You can't control your smoke.

    Go outside. Win-win. Period.

    Have you ever cleaned the windows inside a smokers automobile?
    Have you seen the disgusting yellow-brown buildup that collects on the windows over time?

    That's the crap non-smokers don't want to deal with.

    You don't have the right to infect everything around you with caustic and dangerous residue. Not to mention quite stinky residue.

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    If people want to smoke...go the F outside. Problem solved for all.

    There's no rational "need" for smoking.

    People don't have to smoke to survive, or work, or be productive, or squat.

    It's not about the government either....it's about health, well being, and respect for people who don't smoke and don't want to be exposed to smoke.

    I say this as someone who once smoked, and quit.

    No matter how you slice it - smoking is an offensive, and unhealthy habit.

    Take it outside. Everybody wins that way.
    Equally solved by you not frequenting establishments that allow smoking. Quit acting like you're entitled to other's property and labor.
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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Quit acting like you're entitled to other's property and labor.
    What???????

    The one's who are acting like their entitled to something are the smokers.

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Most states have blanket bans against smoking in all bars and restaurants. No exceptions. As a result, you often see smokers huddled in small groups outside partaking in cigarettes.

    I am not, and have never been, a smoker but to me this in inherently unfair. IMO, the state should set aside special permits for a small percentage of bars and restaurants where smoking be allowed. To pick a number, I would say 10% to 15% of bars and restaurants should be allowed to have smoking inside. Have them post a large sign at each entrance notifying potentials customers, so everyone is fully informed and able to make their own choice. No one needs to go in and act surprised.

    I don't see the need to make them age-restricted to 18+ or 21+, but I could live with that compromise.

    What think you?
    All bans should be lifted so long as it is a legal substance to use. It should entirely be up to the business owner and not people who have no stake in the company. People have a choice to enter a smoking establishment or not. And that is the key word there. Choice. Non-smokers have a choice to enter an establishment that allows smoking or not. Thier life is not dependent on going out to a restaurant...much less a bar. As such it is entirely their choice to visit one. It is also their choice to go to one that is voluntarily non-smoking or one that is voluntarily smoking.

    Personally I find it troubling that people believe that they have a right to control other peoples lives to this extent just because they don't like the smell of cigarettes or think that they will get lung cancer due to second hand smoke because of the studies they hear about. Never realizing that those studies were done on people who are mostly chain smokers themselves or lived with chain smokers along with working in a smoking establishment. None of the studies I have ever seen are of people that visit a bar or restaurant for an hour out of an entire week. They are all on the extreme side of things.
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