View Poll Results: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

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  • I think ALL smoking restrictions should be lifted.

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  • Yes, some bars/restaurants should be set aside to allow smoking.

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Perhaps, but not enough so that it must ban it in bars everywhere. Health food standards particularly speak to that which the customer cannot see. We don't go into the back, we cannot necessarily inspect the food or watch it being prepared. The governments steps in, in a good number of cases reasonably so, runs the assessments and gathers the data, and then reports that data on the front of the establishment with a grade. That grade lets us know. But you'll never be surprised by an establishment that allows smoking. It's beyond fires at this point and was never about our safety so much as it was about our knowledge.
    I would agree if the reason for banning smoking in bars wasn't one which was meant to protect the owner and customers at the same time. While health standards and grades give an idea of the quality of the establishment, they also provide a reasonable amount of protection for businesses. A business who meets health and food standards can better protect itself in the case of a lawsuit. Likewise, smoking bans shield 1) bar owners from possibly bankrupting accidents and 2) customers from lawsuits stemming from possible accidents.
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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Most states have blanket bans against smoking in all bars and restaurants. No exceptions. As a result, you often see smokers huddled in small groups outside partaking in cigarettes.

    I am not, and have never been, a smoker but to me this in inherently unfair. IMO, the state should set aside special permits for a small percentage of bars and restaurants where smoking be allowed. To pick a number, I would say 10% to 15% of bars and restaurants should be allowed to have smoking inside. Have them post a large sign at each entrance notifying potentials customers, so everyone is fully informed and able to make their own choice. No one needs to go in and act surprised.

    I don't see the need to make them age-restricted to 18+ or 21+, but I could live with that compromise.

    What think you?
    You would have to have bar tenders and waiters who were smokers also, then it would be fair.
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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Carleen View Post
    You would have to have bar tenders and waiters who were smokers also, then it would be fair.
    I can envision bars and restaurants for smokers only. Fine by me.

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    It may be stupid, disgusting and invasive to others Bodhisattva, but the question was related to private businesses not sporting events or on an airplane. Even though you find it disgusting, others may not. Yet because you don't like it, it should be banned from all public establishments? What has happened to tolerance? Why can't business owners make their own choices? If you don't want to be around it, why can't you find a place that doesn't allow it? And if smoking is so bad then why isn't there an all out ban to abolish it? Is it because those who complain about it the most are enjoying the taxes it generates?
    With regards to restaurants if smoking were allowed then not enough people would stop going to the establishment out of protest because they would "tolerate" it. Stop going to favourite places in order to protest is something that most people wouldn't do. Same with other "private" places that the public goes to. That said the unhealthy aspect of smoking would be placed upon individuals again. Those that complain the most are seeing their insurance rates and taxes used to support a filthy and disgusting habit.
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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    With regards to restaurants if smoking were allowed then not enough people would stop going to the establishment out of protest because they would "tolerate" it. Stop going to favourite places in order to protest is something that most people wouldn't do. Same with other "private" places that the public goes to. That said the unhealthy aspect of smoking would be placed upon individuals again. Those that complain the most are seeing their insurance rates and taxes used to support a filthy and disgusting habit.
    Hi Bodhisattva. I personally don't see where anyone has the right to force another to conform to something that violates their rights because I or someone else finds it to be a poor choice especially when it is legal. It started with smoking, now we have food police dictating what people can and can not eat and it's effecting what items a restaurant can have on its menu. We got people trying to ban sports in school because of potential injuries. Where does it stop?

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Hi Bodhisattva. I personally don't see where anyone has the right to force another to conform to something that violates their rights because I or someone else finds it to be a poor choice especially when it is legal. It started with smoking, now we have food police dictating what people can and can not eat and it's effecting what items a restaurant can have on its menu. We got people trying to ban sports in school because of potential injuries. Where does it stop?
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    We already have policy's in place that limit freedoms. This is nothing new. Yes, government over steps it's bounds sometimes too... and that isn't good. Smoking has ZERO positive health benefits. Smoking also affects others negatively... including death. I don't mind infringing on people's "rights" on this one.
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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Most states have blanket bans against smoking in all bars and restaurants. No exceptions. As a result, you often see smokers huddled in small groups outside partaking in cigarettes.

    I am not, and have never been, a smoker but to me this in inherently unfair. IMO, the state should set aside special permits for a small percentage of bars and restaurants where smoking be allowed. To pick a number, I would say 10% to 15% of bars and restaurants should be allowed to have smoking inside. Have them post a large sign at each entrance notifying potentials customers, so everyone is fully informed and able to make their own choice. No one needs to go in and act surprised.

    I don't see the need to make them age-restricted to 18+ or 21+, but I could live with that compromise.

    What think you?
    I'm a smoker and I would prefer keeping these places smoke free. If you believe that people should have rights to do whatever they please so long as it doesn't infringe on another's right, then I think you would have to admit that second hand smoke infringes on another's right and therefore should not be allowed in confined spaces.

    That being said, it would be nice for a loop hole to exist that would allow businesses to create smoke zones inside. I think that could be a reasonable common ground.

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    I'm a smoker and I would prefer keeping these places smoke free. If you believe that people should have rights to do whatever they please so long as it doesn't infringe on another's right, then I think you would have to admit that second hand smoke infringes on another's right and therefore should not be allowed in confined spaces.

    That being said, it would be nice for a loop hole to exist that would allow businesses to create smoke zones inside. I think that could be a reasonable common ground.
    In that case, we must ban petroleum fuel.

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil_Osophy View Post
    In that case, we must ban petroleum fuel.
    I believe it probably isn't legal to have a car running indoors in a confined space.

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