View Poll Results: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

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  • I think ALL smoking restrictions should be lifted.

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Why does it matter? The possibility of an accidental fire which isn't covered by insurance is enough of an incentive to disallow it at a bar.
    It is, but I don't think that's the main reason. Bars and restaurants allowed smoking for years and years before all the information about second-hand smoking started coming out.

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    It is, but I don't think that's the main reason. Bars and restaurants allowed smoking for years and years before all the information about second-hand smoking started coming out.
    You're right. People also drove cars without seat belts for 60+ years. Try finding an insurance company that will cover you if you weren't wearing a seat belt during an accident today. The same logic applies to bars. A bar owner whose establishment catches on fire because of some smokers leaving a cigarette in the wrong place will be **** out of luck. Why take the risk to begin with? It's far easier to ban smoking at the bar.
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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You're right. People also drove cars without seat belts for 60+ years. Try finding an insurance company that will cover you if you weren't wearing a seat belt during an accident today. The same logic applies to bars. A bar owner whose establishment catches on fire because of some smokers leaving a cigarette in the wrong place will be **** out of luck. Why take the risk to begin with? It's far easier to ban smoking at the bar.
    I think you are absolutely wrong. Smoking is also banned at many other public places. I don't think it has to do with fires either.

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I think you are absolutely wrong. Smoking is also banned at many other public places. I don't think it has to do with fires either.
    If you can find me a better reason than the possibility of accidental fires that aren't covered by insurance, I'll concede. I don't buy the possibility of somebody getting a whiff of 2nd hand smoke as the reason.
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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    If you can find me a better reason than the possibility of accidental fires that aren't covered by insurance, I'll concede.
    I already have.

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I'm not sure if coal creates less pollution than gas but I agree, both are pollutants. You hear of smoke warnings (caused by gas) in Los Angeles but I live about 5 miles from a coal burning power plant and its clear skies and fresh air where I live.

    The increased interest in electric cars is also creating a push for cleaner energy production. Telsa Motors is pretty public about eventually developing carports and garage roofs make out of solar cells for home car recharging.
    Coal is likely overall dirtier, gas and gas engines have become very good in the modern era in limiting pollution. But while there is a "push" for new energy, there isn't really a push. We have these little things on the side, wind and solar, but we shun nuclear and invest way more in finding new ways to blow each other up than for finding a better, cleaner source of energy. We'll see where Tesla Motors ends up.

    BTW, solar cells require massive arsenic strip mining.
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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Cigarette smoking kills thousands every year.....It should be banned everywhere.
    Cars kill 10's of thousands each year. If death is the only qualifier, then obviously we should focus there as well.
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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You're right. People also drove cars without seat belts for 60+ years. Try finding an insurance company that will cover you if you weren't wearing a seat belt during an accident today. The same logic applies to bars. A bar owner whose establishment catches on fire because of some smokers leaving a cigarette in the wrong place will be **** out of luck. Why take the risk to begin with? It's far easier to ban smoking at the bar.
    While this is a logical reason for an individual to ban smoking in their establishment, it is not proper argument for government pushing the issue.
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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    While this is a logical reason for an individual to ban smoking in their establishment, it is not proper argument for government pushing the issue.
    I think the government has an interest in legislating reasonable safety measures that could shield a business from potential damage. There is no difference for me between this and having health standards for food.
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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I think the government has an interest in legislating reasonable safety measures that could shield a business from potential damage. There is no difference for me between this and having health standards for food.
    Perhaps, but not enough so that it must ban it in bars everywhere. Health food standards particularly speak to that which the customer cannot see. We don't go into the back, we cannot necessarily inspect the food or watch it being prepared. The governments steps in, in a good number of cases reasonably so, runs the assessments and gathers the data, and then reports that data on the front of the establishment with a grade. That grade lets us know. But you'll never be surprised by an establishment that allows smoking. It's beyond fires at this point and was never about our safety so much as it was about our knowledge.
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