View Poll Results: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

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  • I think ALL smoking restrictions should be lifted.

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  • Yes, some bars/restaurants should be set aside to allow smoking.

    37 29.60%
  • No, keep it is it is now.

    51 40.80%
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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    The owner forced them to come in?
    They came in expecting food not cancer causing smoke. If the place was called "The Cancer Castle" maybe you'd have a point.

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    I think it should be the business owner's decision. I was a smoker, now I have not been for two years. I would still go to places that had smoking, it doesn't effect me.

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    They came in expecting food not cancer causing smoke. If the place was called "The Cancer Castle" maybe you'd have a point.
    And when they see smoke they are free to leave. Its simple. Just ask "is this a non smoking restaraunt?" Before you pay.

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    People who think the ban on indoor smoking is due to health reasons/oppression of "legal activities", have no idea what they're talking about. Say a smoker leaves a cigarette lit somewhere in the bar, forgets about it and it starts a fire. What happens if the insurance company finds out? Guess who's **** out of luck? The owner. It has nothing to do with health concerns. It has to do with the fact that it's not covered by a large percentage of insurance companies so owners want to avoid drunk smokers like the plague.
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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Summerwind might disagree with you on that, but she's a smoker.
    Cigarette smokers don't realize how badly they smell until they quit smoking. I used to live next door to a pair of heavy smokers. You could smell the stale smoke if you opened our window. I borrowed a box of cake mix from her one day, opened the box and the mix smelled like stale cigarette smoke. The mix, inside the plastic packaging, inside the cardboard packaging.

    One somebody quits smoking, they are generally embarrassed by how badly they smelled and didn't realize it. Their cars, their hair, their clothes, their house.

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Owner's choice, IMO.



    most will base their decision on what their customers want.... which is as it should be.
    Yes this is stated perfectly.

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    People who think the ban on indoor smoking is due to health reasons/oppression of "legal activities", have no idea what they're talking about. Say a smoker leaves a cigarette lit somewhere in the bar, forgets about it and it starts a fire. What happens if the insurance company finds out? Guess who's **** out of luck? The owner. It has nothing to do with health concerns. It has to do with the fact that it's not covered by a large percentage of insurance companies so owners want to avoid drunk smokers like the plague.
    Meh, I don't think I'm buying that. I've never heard that there was a huge problem with smoker starting fires in restaurants. I'm pretty sure it's because of employees contracting some kind of lung disease from second-hand smoke exposure.

    http://publichealthlawcenter.org/sit...ities-2004.pdf

    There is no safe level of exposure to secondhand tobacco smoke, according to the United States Environmental Protection Agency, the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health, the American Lung Association, the American Cancer Society, the World Health Organization and other leading public health and medical organizations.

    Secondhand smoke is the third leading preventable cause of death in the United States. For millions of Americans, secondhand smoke has the potential to cause immediate, life-threatening asthmatic attacks. The federal Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA), which took effect in 1992, was adopted to provide a comprehensive national mandate to eliminate discrimination against people with disabilities. The ADA may be used to protect people with asthma and others whose daily activities are substantially limited by secondhand smoke exposure in private and public
    workplaces with fifteen or more employees (Title I); while accessing the services of, or participating in, state and local government (Title II); and in places of public accommodation (Title III)

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    Well cigarette smoke contains many dangerous chemicals where as marijuana does not.
    Neither do a lot of "smoke" cigarette smokes like to make comparisons to. Charcoal, logs in a fireplace, bond fires and camp-outs, birthday candles. Its hilarious to hear them make comparisons.
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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    It seems that, for many, personal choice is limited to things that they like. SSM proponents are often for bans/restrictions for smoking and gun rights. Abortion ban folks are often pro gun. Ironies abound when true individual freedom is concerned.
    A very good point.
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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's not the cleanest form of energy and causes a certain amount of global pollution, more so than gas. But till we invest in nuclear energy, we'll have to keep our dirty energy.
    I'm not sure if coal creates less pollution than gas but I agree, both are pollutants. You hear of smoke warnings (caused by gas) in Los Angeles but I live about 5 miles from a coal burning power plant and its clear skies and fresh air where I live.

    The increased interest in electric cars is also creating a push for cleaner energy production. Telsa Motors is pretty public about eventually developing carports and garage roofs make out of solar cells for home car recharging.
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